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61. Moving right, leaving the base and half the potential electorate behind, to try to peel off ...

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:06 AM

Dec 2014

... the mythical moderate Republican vote. Yeah, that's a sure fire strategy if you want to make sure the Koch brothers own America.

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What could Landrieu have done to go further right? [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 OP

I rather liked my post from another Landrieu thread. I'll paste it here w. some edits. merrily Dec 2014 #1

LA didn't have one, but AR had a Green candidate who ran on single payer and a higher minimum wage Recursion Dec 2014 #7

Right. Because the ONLY difference between a merrily Dec 2014 #8

Moving right, leaving the base and half the potential electorate behind, to try to peel off ... Scuba Dec 2014 #61

Exactly, the party(s) follow the electorate Progressive dog Dec 2014 #71

Disagree. The electorate is not demanding lower wages, or more jobs leaving the US merrily Dec 2014 #116

You have to understand that the electorate Progressive dog Dec 2014 #161

The solution to that is better messaging, not worse people. merrily Dec 2014 #162

That didn't make sense Progressive dog Dec 2014 #163

Actually, your post is the one that doesn't make sense. merrily Dec 2014 #164

Wrong, we learned another fact from this last midterm where right leaning Dems lost AGAIN. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #72

No. 3 conservatives lost as opposed to 7 liberals. And the only pick-offs were by conservative dems Recursion Dec 2014 #98

Which Liberal Dems were supported by the DCCC in those states? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #100

Garcia, Schneider, Enyart, Horsford, Shea-Porter, Bishop, Maffei Recursion Dec 2014 #101

Funny how you always manage to blame the Left for the Party leaders moving right. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #134

Bizarre take on things AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #136

Obama's approval rating is south of 40% in LA tritsofme Dec 2014 #2

That's because neither are percieved as being liberal enough.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #3

What is Ellen running for? Recursion Dec 2014 #10

No one attacked you personally, yet your replies 4 and 10 are quite insulting to Manny and Spitfire. merrily Dec 2014 #11

Because Landrieu defended a woman's right to choose and background checks on gun Recursion Dec 2014 #12

So? Many of your posts have irritated me no end. merrily Dec 2014 #13

Much more liberal Democrats than Landrieu ran in the jungle primary. They all lost very badly. Recursion Dec 2014 #19

Non sequitur much? The subject was your insults to the OP and Spitfire. merrily Dec 2014 #64

The voters had a right leaning Dem and they rejected her. The voters have consistently rejected sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #75

What about this part of the post? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #86

Well if it's that bad, then we may as well just give up and let the Republicans have it all, no?? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #89

No, that'snot whatI am saying at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #90

Did the party leadership back the progressive candidates in the primaries? Fund them sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #91

From what I understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #93

Actually I don't need Brooklynite's input on this. I worked for nine years for sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #96

Are you talking about DSCC fundraisers? brooklynite Dec 2014 #153

Hmm, I didn't know I was a "her"..... brooklynite Dec 2014 #142

Hmmm ... Who do I believe ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #149

Hmmm ... Who do I believe??? Wall Street or Main Street? U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #166

Whether you SUPPORT Wall Street or Main Street has nothing to do with the truth..... brooklynite Dec 2014 #167

Jeff Merkely, Brian Schatz MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #94

Oregan and Hawaii ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #95

Braleya nd Udall got about the same percent of the votes in states that Obama carried twice bornskeptic Dec 2014 #105

Agree, but it is also fantasy to think that all we need is for candidates to be more right. merrily Dec 2014 #117

That would be nearly as silly as claiming all we need is "real progressive candidates" Recursion Dec 2014 #146

It's all he's got. Scuba Dec 2014 #62

Not to his way of thinking, apparently. merrily Dec 2014 #65

Yes. I will stand here and say she would have done better as a bigger liberal. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #14

You last paragraph deserves an award BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #20

why didn't the liberals of louisiana vote for the more liberal democrats who were also on the race JI7 Dec 2014 #23

They did. All 15 of them (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #27

if i was there i would have voted for Senegal JI7 Dec 2014 #29

Me too. I like her Recursion Dec 2014 #31

LOL!!! Ever hear of vote splitting? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #84

Well, becuse there was only one more liberal democrat on the ballot Scootaloo Dec 2014 #36

they were on the ballot , do liberals in the state not know how to do simple research JI7 Dec 2014 #38

I've looked all over for her positions, JI7 Scootaloo Dec 2014 #40

more fair tax system , marijuana legalization JI7 Dec 2014 #43

If the Democrats of louisiana really want a conservative Democrat... why didn't William Waymire win? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #44

i don't think the democrats want a conservative JI7 Dec 2014 #47

Your question strongly implies otherwise Scootaloo Dec 2014 #48

because the republicans were more conservative JI7 Dec 2014 #49

Try to follow Scootaloo Dec 2014 #51

he wasnt the most conservative JI7 Dec 2014 #59

Money and name recognition and incumbency. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #55

Also, the Party supports incumbents. merrily Dec 2014 #67

K&R... WOW, Scootaloo Carolina Dec 2014 #53

Nailed it, especially that part in your last paragraph about giving credence to the Republicans. Scuba Dec 2014 #63

if dems voted our pols wouldnt need to goto the right for votes belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #66

I'm afraid you've got the horse pushing the cart there, Belzabubba Scootaloo Dec 2014 #123

"and tell the undecided voters that republicans are right about things." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #83

Sadly, these "Undecideds" are, either, 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #87

Reverse the focus aspirant Dec 2014 #137

No, he's saying Ellen could have beat Bill Cassidy./NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #56

What's crazy is assuming there are no Liberals in Louisiana.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #78

And Landrieu said on a radio show that she didn't vote for Obama. merrily Dec 2014 #5

And how on earth did he lose her vote anyway? Generic Other Dec 2014 #76

Grimes refused to say whether she voted for him or not. And Dems all over the merrily Dec 2014 #81

Obama's approval rating in October was not very high anywhere, yet merrily Dec 2014 #82

I'm not sure why you are conflating 2008 and 2014. Based on Obama's approval rating, the 2014 result tritsofme Dec 2014 #121

I said the two elections were different, which is about the direct opposite of conflating. merrily Dec 2014 #122

Well she could be anti-choice, anti immigration reform, against gun background checks Recursion Dec 2014 #4

I'd bet most of the people who voted against her couldn't tell you what her positions merrily Dec 2014 #6

Politicians represent their local districts and states BainsBane Dec 2014 #22

yes, most people don't even know how the louisana election is run JI7 Dec 2014 #32

Yes, theoretically. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #50

Yes, she did need to appeal to the people of Louisiana. Apparently, she didn't. merrily Dec 2014 #68

What you said BainsBane Dec 2014 #85

As far as allegedly "trashing" DUers, how many OPs calling out DUers who are not thrilled merrily Dec 2014 #99

"Did you scold Steve Leser, for example, for his call out thread? or brooklynite for his? " Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #160

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #88

The population of Louisiana is 32% African American BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #15

I'm all for LA (and MS, and AL) running black candidates Recursion Dec 2014 #17

She actually pulled in a majority of votes in the initial election Scootaloo Dec 2014 #16

I have. I imagine she would not have made the run-off. The more liberal Democrats who ran didn't. Recursion Dec 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Dec 2014 #21

Maybe we should make a poll BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #24

Most DUers would complain about Keystone, etc. joshcryer Dec 2014 #26

And Keystone polls at about 85% positive in Louisiana Recursion Dec 2014 #28

Well, yes BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #115

The more liberal democrats, huh? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #30

Senegal and Brown Recursion Dec 2014 #33

Brown withdrew and endorsed Landrieu Scootaloo Dec 2014 #34

OK, so there was one rather liberal Democrat on the LA ballot in the jungle primary. Recursion Dec 2014 #35

She also got no exposure Scootaloo Dec 2014 #39

IIRC "Poe wrote on both", incidentally (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #37

Wrong! Scootaloo Dec 2014 #41

According the reasoning of some, the teabagger should have won. merrily Dec 2014 #69

It's amusing how the more liberal person loses to the conservative. joshcryer Dec 2014 #25

So the answer is, obviously, to abandon liberal principles and join the right. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #42

No, just stop trashing the more liberal person. joshcryer Dec 2014 #45

No, your argument is "trash liberalism." Scootaloo Dec 2014 #46

No, she has liberal social positions. joshcryer Dec 2014 #60

She fought for the pipeline aspirant Dec 2014 #140

So, Landrieu lost because of DU? merrily Dec 2014 #73

It was a waffle merrily. A Belgian waffle with berries and bacon. Nothing could ever beat that Autumn Dec 2014 #97

That is both funny and very clever. merrily Dec 2014 #107

Oops it was supposed to be it not I. Start here Autumn Dec 2014 #147

Okay, just the change from I to It helps a lot. merrily Dec 2014 #156

Nope. joshcryer Dec 2014 #104

Well, at least we agree on one thing. However, then I must have misunderstood your merrily Dec 2014 #108

Why didn't people vote? joshcryer Dec 2014 #111

Where is this alleged "trashing" taking place, though? You said it was not on DU. So who was merrily Dec 2014 #112

In the mass media. joshcryer Dec 2014 #113

So, when you said the answer is "stop trashing the liberal candidate" you meant mass media merrily Dec 2014 #114

You don't have to give the media the fire. joshcryer Dec 2014 #125

Let's see: the answer is for mass media to stop trashing the more liberal candidate, but merrily Dec 2014 #127

This is meta discussion for post #45. joshcryer Dec 2014 #129

OK, the generic you. The generic I. How is anyone or any group doing that? merrily Dec 2014 #130

Through disinformation? joshcryer Dec 2014 #131

Again, where is this alleged lying bashing that allegedly fuels the mass media taking place? merrily Dec 2014 #132

No, at its finest, pretzel logic is looking at the record of the Dem Party post DLC and merrily Dec 2014 #70

The party is not going right. joshcryer Dec 2014 #103

I simply can't be that rude. merrily Dec 2014 #109

"keep going right" assumes it had before joshcryer Dec 2014 #126

The issue was logic, Josh. merrily Dec 2014 #128

PS I never told you to stop replying to me under another name. merrily Dec 2014 #119

Wishful thinking and it occurs on the right too treestar Dec 2014 #150

How many La's are pro-SS vouchers? aspirant Dec 2014 #138

A majority of the ones who showed up preferred a Senate candidate who is (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #145

Was this an issue aspirant Dec 2014 #148

Seems there less and less actual Democrats in each election. 99Forever Dec 2014 #9

Exactly! B Calm Dec 2014 #52

Perhaps it should be ask can Cassidy go further roght than Landrieu? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #54

Are there any Louisianans in this thread? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #57

A former louisianan here, the Landrieu family has been deep in politics for years Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #79

"What could Landrieu have done to go further right?" fredamae Dec 2014 #58

If you really want to know jamzrockz Dec 2014 #74

Stick her head a little further in the sand is all I know madokie Dec 2014 #77

She could have announced she had formally changed her party affiliation to republican. Autumn Dec 2014 #80

Nothing, she was not going to get the majority white vote. Rex Dec 2014 #92

babies + tophet = 3-point bump! MisterP Dec 2014 #102

More critically is if there are folks that feel she was too liberal to win what do they advise TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #106

If she wanted to be a republican, she should had run under the republican ticket. B Calm Dec 2014 #110

Bingo! You're exactly right. Vinca Dec 2014 #118

She is pro-choice, etc treestar Dec 2014 #151

Are you honestly saying there are not any pro choice republicans? B Calm Dec 2014 #155

Sponsor a Constitutional Amendment to privatize the federal government! Zorra Dec 2014 #120

Well, she could have avoided insulting the voters. Savannahmann Dec 2014 #124

If only politicians could rid the nation of the accursed scourge of voters, all would be great. merrily Dec 2014 #133

She could have burned piles of used tires at her campaign rallies AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #135

Too far right already. No reason for dems to vote for her on point Dec 2014 #139

I'll buy a "Clean coal"-burning truck when the clean coal revolution begins. L0oniX Dec 2014 #141

The only people mourning her loss in the Senate Aerows Dec 2014 #143

How about shooting a target with you know who's picture on it n/t doc03 Dec 2014 #144

The conservative Democrat lost to the conservative Republican. neverforget Dec 2014 #152

Now we can get a candidate who will not sell out to Big Oil TheNutcracker Dec 2014 #154

...who will become a Senator who "will not sell out to Big Oil"? brooklynite Dec 2014 #158

No Democrat would have won in Louisiana this year Freddie Stubbs Dec 2014 #157

Well Manny, I guess she could have given up her pro gun-control stance... brooklynite Dec 2014 #159

Go big in the opposite direction. All it takes is one victory to re-emerge the left in the South. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #165