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pretzel4gore

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72. read 'up from conservativism' by ex reaganaut michael phillips...

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 04:29 PM

Dec 2014

it goes back to before bush, 911 etc so you get a clear picture of how simple the nuts/bolts of the entire thing (winning elections) is...Basically, 1/3rd voters vote rightwing, 1/3rd vote leftwing so the fascasti aim at the last 1/3rd- meaning they win with only 15% plus one, of total! Even a dead guy man can do that, and well there's all the trickery the rightwing news media uses, for ex. during Carter era Dem Convention, the US media live broadcasts focused on a small group of black delegates -they were almost the only ones in the hall! When CNN panned the crowd sometime later, noting the misleading effect of most of this type coverage had, the blatant racism was obvious- though it was white voters who were victimised! Even then, Carter came close in 1980 (after all, only 6 years earlier nixon had been impeached for tricking electorate!)
A nixon era political thug once said winning US elections was like taking candy from a sleeping baby (or something)

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How far right wing of a candidate do we have to put up with before we can say no more [View all] Arcanetrance Dec 2014 OP

Great point Union Scribe Dec 2014 #1

You put it so much better than I could. Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #3

Thanks, you did just fine though :) Union Scribe Dec 2014 #6

well, locally in NW Arkansas (considered the liberal stronghold) WhiteTara Dec 2014 #36

Thank you. 840high Dec 2014 #4

ideals, though, are up to the local voters hfojvt Dec 2014 #64

Completely agree. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #2

Don't vote for them. 840high Dec 2014 #5

In far too many instances they are the only Dem on the ballot. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #47

So? Don't vote for them. 840high Dec 2014 #70

This is why the primaries matter so much. salib Dec 2014 #79

I am an elected member of my central committee onecaliberal Dec 2014 #80

depends on the state , Landrieu voted with dems most of the times but more importantly her vote JI7 Dec 2014 #7

She'd vote with Democrats after much arm twisting and even than it wasn't always a sure thing Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #9

there is no "we" here, the people of each state elect the senators, i'm in california JI7 Dec 2014 #10

Rightwingers will be there until.. American_74911003 Dec 2014 #8

If Jeb ran as a Dem the DLC would demand we vote for him. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #11

Yup. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #69

Or, maybe she was too far right to win. Or just an unappealing candidate. merrily Dec 2014 #12

I agree with you Democrats need to start standing up and putting the right on the defensive side Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #13

Thanks. Please check out that Daily Show video I linked. merrily Dec 2014 #14

I shall in the morning I'm on my phone right now and for some reason it doesn't want to play it Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #15

Okay. By morning, I'll have another link for you. Nite merrily Dec 2014 #16

This link works for me. Hope it does for you. (pipe friction, LOL! merrily Dec 2014 #25

Americans hate phonies MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #17

Very true. Arcanetrance Dec 2014 #18

Flaming Liberals seem to do quite well MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #19

Jesus I'm sick of this. The ONLY TWO DEMOCRATS to beat R incumbents were "evil blue dogs" Recursion Dec 2014 #27

Which liberals ran and lost in the midterms? Rex Dec 2014 #51

Garcia, Schneider, Enyart, Horsford, Shea-Porter, Bishop, Maffei Recursion Dec 2014 #54

Yeah the midterms were horrible, even most conservative dems couldn't keep their seats. Rex Dec 2014 #55

7 liberals were defeated as opposed to 3 conservatives Recursion Dec 2014 #56

Because they tried to appeal to voters that typically vote republican? Rex Dec 2014 #57

They live in liberal states/districts Recursion Dec 2014 #58

Then what Manny said was true and thanks for proving it. Rex Dec 2014 #59

No, liberals did *worse* at keeping their seats this time than conservatives. 7 liberals lost Recursion Dec 2014 #60

Your claim Rex Dec 2014 #61

I agree liberals are great at holding liberal districts. I never disputed that. We should nominate Recursion Dec 2014 #63

Sorry, I thought that was what you were disputing. Rex Dec 2014 #65

On DU? Jamastiene Dec 2014 #71

That's what he said. (Harry S. Truman) merrily Dec 2014 #21

the 50 state strategy DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #20

I thought the 50 state strategy was simply not giving up on states just because they were red merrily Dec 2014 #22

North Carolina shocked me in 2008 by voting blue. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #74

In theory it is DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #81

The Party needs to take a hard look at 2010 and 2011, stop blaming voters and merrily Dec 2014 #87

I agree with the census DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #88

There is no equal in the sense that, if you believe in God, God's wanting you to vote against merrily Dec 2014 #90

a bit of goalpost moving DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #91

I did not compare torture with voting. merrily Dec 2014 #92

Right/Left false paradigms are becoming irrelevant Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #23

Landrieu! Landrieu! Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #24

As long as the person is as far left as they can be and win the seat, I literally have no limit. Recursion Dec 2014 #26

You may have noticed that a lot of people here... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #29

I'm glad you said that because Senator Frank Church was from Idaho. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #86

But, but, Hillary Clinton campaigned for Landrieu tularetom Dec 2014 #28

Then how do you explain her husband winning two terms... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #30

We were a lot dumber back then.. sendero Dec 2014 #32

We really smartened up giving Shrub two terms... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #33

Democrats.. sendero Dec 2014 #34

But, since he lost the House... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #35

So you think Liz Warren was right to vote for George Bush over Bill Clinton? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #38

George Bush.. sendero Dec 2014 #48

He ran a lot more Democratic than he presidented tularetom Dec 2014 #49

A pet rock would have looked good by comparison to daddy Bush. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #73

I've said it and I will keep saying it.. sendero Dec 2014 #31

I would argue that Landrieu was too far to the right to .... Scuba Dec 2014 #37

But there were more liberal candidates in the primary JI7 Dec 2014 #39

Did they get the backing of the party leadership? Scuba Dec 2014 #40

why would liberals care about backing of JI7 Dec 2014 #41

Why aren't party leaders backing liberal candidates even though more conservative candidates lose? Scuba Dec 2014 #42

well Landrieu won in her previous elections JI7 Dec 2014 #43

Chicken - egg. Scuba Dec 2014 #44

lol JI7 Dec 2014 #45

Exactly. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #75

We only have to put up with the candidate we chose to vote for, the one who represents our values. Autumn Dec 2014 #46

Maybe if she had been more LEFT LEANING Dems would have come out more enthusiastically sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #50

The gnashing of the teeth over that fact seems to have some here losing their minds. Rex Dec 2014 #52

It's hard to give up an ideology I suppose. The Think Tank that told them all they needed to do was sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #53

How come she did so much better than Obama in 2008? onenote Dec 2014 #83

Every Dem was voting for anyone with a D after their names back then. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #84

again: why do you think attracted so many more voters than Obama in 2008? onenote Dec 2014 #85

Doesn't really matter when you cede ground without Skidmore Dec 2014 #62

We need to get back to the moderate core of the party. Rex Dec 2014 #66

This is a "When did you stop beating your wife" OP that assumes facts not in evidence nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #67

But ONLY right leaning Democrats have been proven to lose truly effectively! Zorra Dec 2014 #68

It is the only "pragmatic" way to lose, by running Third Way candidates. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #76

read 'up from conservativism' by ex reaganaut michael phillips... pretzel4gore Dec 2014 #72

"Not as bad" rang up a no-sale in 2014. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #77

Why would Democrats cheer the loss of a Democrat seat? Why the snarky remarks? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #78

If our candidate is still not as far to the right as the repub, then they have my support onenote Dec 2014 #82

According to the corporatists and their enablers/apologsts hifiguy Dec 2014 #89