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25. But Landrieu was not a "conservative" Democrat. She was a liberal Democrat with

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Dec 2014

a bias favoring one of her state's Big Industries. That's the same bias anyone who runs in that state has--regardless of party.

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How about we save the purity tests for blue states? [View all] DanTex Dec 2014 OP

How about we don't. When anyone chooses to run as a Democratic party candidate why don't Vincardog Dec 2014 #1

exactly. similar thing can be said about Republicans. alp227 Dec 2014 #48

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #148

if mark begich had run as a dem instead of a craven roguevalley Dec 2014 #116

You don't bring people around to the Democrats side all at once. People don't change their stripes Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #141

I used to say that regarding Arkansas. moriah Dec 2014 #2

I can understand Pryor loosing, he never stood for anything that wasn't run by a focus group LiberalArkie Dec 2014 #124

Yet Pryor took Tim Hutchinson out of office, a huge favor. moriah Dec 2014 #137

Pryor was dead in the water no matter he did (IMO) rpannier Dec 2014 #140

How about we try running actual liberal Democrats with actual STRONG backing of the... 99Forever Dec 2014 #3

And watch them LOSE LOSE LOSE south of the Mason Dixon. nt MADem Dec 2014 #20

Exactly! They just refuse to get it... eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #79

It's never been done. So where are you getting this certainty from? We do know now sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #86

Landrieu lost because she was painted as "running from Obama." You know, that right winger MADem Dec 2014 #93

As opposed to what is happening now? pa28 Dec 2014 #147

Landrieu wasn't conservative, though. That's just a fact, no matter what a few people MADem Dec 2014 #149

I noticed your argument in another part of the thread involving industry bias. pa28 Dec 2014 #153

She's pro-choice. Shes pro-equality. She voted for the ACA. She's pro equal pay for equal work. MADem Dec 2014 #156

Her vote for the next SC justice was a primary reason I hoped she would win. pa28 Dec 2014 #157

Well, Warren sure tried it with Grimes in KY. It didn't get her over the top there, either. MADem Dec 2014 #158

She lost too! Union Scribe Dec 2014 #171

So now we're fucked for the next six years--heckuvajob. MADem Dec 2014 #175

I do recognizd the tricky balancing act of midterms JonLP24 Dec 2014 #196

Gene Taylor is now (formally) a Republican, so there's your answer! MADem Dec 2014 #198

They LOSE LOSE LOSE because they appear weak JonLP24 Dec 2014 #195

I think they're spending too much time telling people how they "ought" to think MADem Dec 2014 #199

I would rather skip purity tests altogether Kalidurga Dec 2014 #4

But what you are saying is that you have your standards but that anyone else's are negotiable. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #19

Well in a relationship there are deal breakers Kalidurga Dec 2014 #42

Boring MFrohike Dec 2014 #5

Landrieu did win multiple times before but I don't consider her a conservative JI7 Dec 2014 #11

She is and was MFrohike Dec 2014 #17

then so is Schumer who certainly is not going anywhere JI7 Dec 2014 #60

True MFrohike Dec 2014 #72

no. because republicans winning are fiscal conservatives JI7 Dec 2014 #77

Oh please--that's the "real defining line" -- because YOU say so? MADem Dec 2014 #102

But Landrieu was not a "conservative" Democrat. She was a liberal Democrat with MADem Dec 2014 #25

Hahaha MFrohike Dec 2014 #34

OK, we're gonna play a numbers game, are we? And go back seven years to do it? "Ha ha ha?" MADem Dec 2014 #87

She was pro choice and supported same sex marriage JI7 Dec 2014 #55

And she lost. do you think the democratic party should abandon those platforms, in order to win? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #75

no. I was giving an example of her liberal positions JI7 Dec 2014 #82

And you argue liberals lose in red states. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #99

I'm happy with someone like Landrieu JI7 Dec 2014 #107

Katrina was nine years ago, and Landrieu didn't lose in 2008. That thesis doesn't work Scootaloo Dec 2014 #114

landrieu lost some of the racist white voters who JI7 Dec 2014 #115

AND AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #117

That's what I'm trying to find out. They get very tight-lipped when you ask Scootaloo Dec 2014 #127

Maybe it would have helped if some of the people trashing her would have gotten out the vote for her MADem Dec 2014 #159

So you're saying.... AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #169

No, I'm saying what I said. nt MADem Dec 2014 #181

The poster is responding to the suggestion that Landrieu is some kind of closet Dem wingnut. MADem Dec 2014 #98

I wonder why also. Andy823 Dec 2014 #120

You forget the events surrounding Arkansas sending only its second red Senator ever in 2010? moriah Dec 2014 #135

it's mostly internet talk. look at feinstein in california JI7 Dec 2014 #6

Conservative Democrats don't win Senate elections in states like Louisiana either. pa28 Dec 2014 #7

She won three times. Can we stop pretending that this never happened? nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #45

I was stating fact. Not trying to pretend. n/t pa28 Dec 2014 #62

Your attempt to state fact failed. She won three times. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #64

I never claimed that. pa28 Dec 2014 #70

You used the phrase "they don't win". That implies always. You were wrong. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #71

I was talking in the present tense. So I hate to break it to you but you are wrong. pa28 Dec 2014 #97

Kinda makes donco Dec 2014 #8

So screw the democratic base in red states? B Calm Dec 2014 #9

Yup. 99Forever Dec 2014 #12

Sounds to me it's the "Far Left or Die" Wing that has spoken. Screw you, south! We can do it MADem Dec 2014 #40

Quite well put, MADem. +100. n/t moriah Dec 2014 #81

50 State Strategy!!... SidDithers Dec 2014 #91

Howard Dean agrees with ME, too--the worst Dem is better than the best Republican! MADem Dec 2014 #113

Probably treestar Dec 2014 #123

It's a pretty foolish thought if you ask me. Agschmid Dec 2014 #136

Amen. I'm amazed at the people on here who are their own enemies. nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #160

I think some don't understand. MADem Dec 2014 #161

+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #162

What did we do that cost her the election? Union Scribe Dec 2014 #172

"You" stayed home, and some of "you" took to the internet to shit all over her on election day. MADem Dec 2014 #174

You've got crosstabs to show who 'stayed home'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #177

You don't have access to newspapers or a search engine, is that it? MADem Dec 2014 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Dec 2014 #182

The dem base in Louisiana voted for landrieu JI7 Dec 2014 #13

and how many stayed home? Also why has the democratic base in Louisiana B Calm Dec 2014 #21

katrina and she lost some of the racist white vote JI7 Dec 2014 #36

Stayed home?? They never made it home--they're living in Houston and scattered to the four winds MADem Dec 2014 #41

Is that the democratic base that chose to make waffles instead of voting for the Democrat in LA?..nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #16

They didn't see a democrat on the ticket for the senate! B Calm Dec 2014 #30

there were more liberal candidates in november JI7 Dec 2014 #66

The Republicans will be happy to treestar Dec 2014 #122

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2014 #10

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Ha! BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #27

Why was that hidden? neverforget Dec 2014 #188

Because Sid is all powerful BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #190

Are you kidding? And ruin the fact-free ire? MADem Dec 2014 #14

I think the right-wing efforts of trolling "from the left" have begun to pay off... SidDithers Dec 2014 #22

It's pretty obvious to me, too. The right wing is nothing if not relentless, and I think they've MADem Dec 2014 #44

Sad that more than a few here have succumbed to that not very sophisticated Jedi mind trick of a stevenleser Dec 2014 #47

Perfect... SidDithers Dec 2014 #56

So, how far to the right should the democratic party move? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #59

The liberal policy positions that Landrieu held are gone now. You got nothing in their place... SidDithers Dec 2014 #84

You're the one arguing that we must run conservatives and liberalism has no chance. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #95

No, I'm the one arguing that staying home and making waffles instead of voting in a run-off election SidDithers Dec 2014 #101

Actually the voters DID vote. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #106

I already answered your fucking question... SidDithers Dec 2014 #112

Would you have voted for her, Scootaloo?... SidDithers Dec 2014 #138

Lol! neverforget Dec 2014 #83

MADem, do you know why "RINO's" win statewide elections in Massachusetts? alp227 Dec 2014 #63

Because MA is a SEXIST STATE. MADem Dec 2014 #129

"liberals don't win senate elections in states like Louisiana" - neither does Mary Landrieu Scootaloo Dec 2014 #18

How do you explain her holding the seat--- BootinUp Dec 2014 #24

I don't know. Could be any number of things Scootaloo Dec 2014 #33

She won three times, I think. Against the odds. DanTex Dec 2014 #26

and she lost this time. You insist liberals can't win, so we shouldn't bother Scootaloo Dec 2014 #51

I don't think liberals can win in Louisiana. It's tough even for conservative Dems. DanTex Dec 2014 #61

What liberal policies and positions do you advocate abandoning in order to "win"? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #68

None. The exact opposite, in fact. DanTex Dec 2014 #78

Running more conservative candidates menas dumping more liberal positions Scootaloo Dec 2014 #89

Only in conservative states. In blue states, we should run liberals. DanTex Dec 2014 #96

So you'll abandon women and the environment. That's two things. What else? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #103

LOL. No. I wouldn't abandon anything. Like I've said many times. DanTex Dec 2014 #111

Convince you? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #125

Yes. Convince me that it's possible. I don't see it. At all. DanTex Dec 2014 #132

Against the crushing odds of Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #168

I wonder if Huey Long would win in Louisiana nowadays. alp227 Dec 2014 #74

There are few Southern Dems from that era who wouldn't be Repigs today..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #133

I question the fundamental premise RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #23

I'm suggesting that people in Louisiana, on average are more conservative than people in say DanTex Dec 2014 #29

Which goal that I listed would not sit well with regular folks in Louisiana? n/t RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #37

They'd agree with the goals. But not the policies that you and I think will achieve those goals. DanTex Dec 2014 #38

Democrats should run WITH these ideals not run AWAY from them RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #46

The state that once elected Huey Long wouldn't vote for a Sanders? alp227 Dec 2014 #76

That was a long time ago. I'm talking about the present. DanTex Dec 2014 #80

No. How about we get dems that will actually fight for the dem positions and make the case for them on point Dec 2014 #28

I agree with the fighting, but I disagree that the Louisiana senate election is the right place for DanTex Dec 2014 #35

How do you know if we don't try? Apparently running a right winger as a democrat didn't work! B Calm Dec 2014 #43

Maybe if we run even FURTHER to the right, that will finally do the trick RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #50

That's their message. Beam me up Scotty! B Calm Dec 2014 #69

It worked 3 times before this. Like I said, without wins by her and other conservative Dems in 2008 DanTex Dec 2014 #57

Like Wendy Davis! OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #108

You mean like New Jersey, where many wonderful local democratic politicians supported Christie? still_one Dec 2014 #31

And what conclusion do you think we should draw from that? nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #53

That we Democrats have a major problem, and it isn't just in the red states. When Lieberman a life still_one Dec 2014 #67

wow...didn't know this about schumer alp227 Dec 2014 #85

It sure is depressing still_one Dec 2014 #100

But shouldn't that have resulted in those dems losing JI7 Dec 2014 #121

MOAR RIGHT! BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #32

Landrieu wouldn't stand an ice cubes chance in hell onecaliberal Dec 2014 #39

And what does that suggest to you? That California and Louisiana have very different voters. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #54

That's a big fat sack of duh! onecaliberal Dec 2014 #90

Obviously it's not a 'duh' because you still don't get it. First of all, Landrieu won three times. stevenleser Dec 2014 #109

People in LA saw her for the corporate puppet she is. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #142

And voted overwhelmingly for a bigger corporate puppet? Recursion Dec 2014 #154

Being a wolf in sheeps clothing was what turned people off. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #191

No. It takes a lot of gymnastics to argue that a state Recursion Dec 2014 #192

What's silly is pretending liberal ideas are unpopular. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #194

So with that type of logic the next Democratic Senator from Louisiana will have to be even more B Calm Dec 2014 #143

It suggests to me that we still have people believing Republicans,.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #105

Nope, see my #109. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #110

That's the same argument the DLC shoved at us with Bill Clinton.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #119

Exactly! I'm done with corporate candidates and reps. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #144

They would tell you to hush up as they go to a fundraiser with Exxon/Mobil.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #146

As far as I can judge sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #49

Yes, THANKS! elleng Dec 2014 #52

hey DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #58

That makes way too much sense for some here. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #65

Really sad. . B Calm Dec 2014 #73

Just a thought aspirant Dec 2014 #88

And without her we would have had single payer. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #92

BINGO! B Calm Dec 2014 #150

You truly believe that? moriah Dec 2014 #152

Trouble using "the google"?... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #155

I later on, after I posted, saw her comments, but she was far from the only one.... moriah Dec 2014 #163

Keep in mind that ANY Dem that votes with a Republican is used for the "bipartisan" claim. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #164

Umm, no, without her we would have had nothing. DanTex Dec 2014 #166

Okay, that's funny calling her a liberal Dem from Louisiana. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #173

I didn't call her a liberal Dem. Go back and read it again. DanTex Dec 2014 #176

Oh sure, I feel SO much better having Landrieu killing single payer than a Republican. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #186

Do you understand that with a Republican there would have been no ACA at all? DanTex Dec 2014 #187

Do you understand that the big battle to get it passed was fought Dem on Dem because of her type? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #189

Yes. Of course. Now your turn. DanTex Dec 2014 #200

Uh huh, sure. It was less of a battle to get Olympia Snow than it was to get Landrieu.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #201

Yeah, but bottom line, without 60 Dems, no Obamacare. DanTex Dec 2014 #202

So what you are saying is only a con artist can win in the South.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #203

Well, I wouldn't put it in those words, but basically, yes. DanTex Dec 2014 #204

The demographics in the South have changed. The old white racists are dying off... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #205

Well, I hope you're right. DanTex Dec 2014 #206

Landrieu's campaign was "you can hardly tell I'm a Dem!": no "purity test" hampered her MisterP Dec 2014 #94

Ignorance or lazyness to get out and vote is vkkv Dec 2014 #104

What about the liberals in red states? Should the candidates ignore them? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #118

I call BULLSHIT!! She won in 2008 on the back of Obama's popularity and high voter turnout for HIM LynneSin Dec 2014 #126

Really. Her state voted 40% for Obama, yet 52% for her. moriah Dec 2014 #151

She had a serious boost from Obama and the numbers do not lie LynneSin Dec 2014 #180

Running a a Republican Lite is a losing strategy, no matter what state you run for office TerrapinFlyer Dec 2014 #128

I understand your point, I think. AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #130

How about we take this "purity test" bullshit and bury it? Maedhros Dec 2014 #131

She's been shown the damn door--and her replacement makes her look like Bernie Sanders crossed with MADem Dec 2014 #139

Who, exactly, is demanding a "purity test"?? Martin Eden Dec 2014 #134

The Republican war on voting should really have more focus JonLP24 Dec 2014 #197

How about we stop wasting time on bland people who STAND FOR NOTHING? Warpy Dec 2014 #145

We had a flawless liberal and progressive run for Governor in NJ in 2013 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #165

If only Landrieu wasn't primaried Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #167

Primaries are now a 'purity test'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #179

Moderates can win in red states. Rex Dec 2014 #170

How about you run candidates that actually can appeal to voters? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #178

Your name suggests... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #184

Purity or Reality? We have tried the DINO's way to victory in the south and it flopped! B Calm Dec 2014 #185

Well there isn't much I can do to directly help her JonLP24 Dec 2014 #193