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76. Possible tactics to disrupt Black Block actions
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:29 PM
Dec 2014

I happened to be on the periphery last night, as I left a performance on campus about 10:30pm. Due to where my car was parked, I had to snake back toward Telegraph, a few blocks from where police had just unleashed tear gas and sound grenades. Students were running away southbound on Telegraph, and as the crowd thinned, I saw 3 young white males dressed in black bloc attire, faces covered, also walking southbound on Telegraph. Two were together talking, the other was across the street texting on his phone. They reminded me of the exact same types of young people who caused all the vandalism and acts of violence during Occupy Oakland demonstrations. I did not attempt to photograph these three, as they were not causing any violence at the time, and I didn't want to risk my safety (these guys do not like to be photographed).

While I have no evidence of who these young men were last night (and I'm very familiar with the subversive tactics of COINTELPRO), my sense is that these young adults are coming from the same group of like-minded agitators who were so disruptive to Occupy Oakland. Sadly during OO, there was also a larger group of activists who either directly supported the Black Bloc tactics, or who refused to denounce vandalism and other acts of violence, because they believed the system was inherently violent and therefore warranted being addressed as such, or at minimum left that option open should it be deemed appropriate. There were heated debates and panel discussions about it, but these folks were very firm in their beliefs (which appear to be a distortion of anarchism) and also very controlling when it came to dominating the open mike discussion around calling for an end of violence. This issue proved one of the main reason that many long time political activists (myself included) chose to distance ourselves from the local OO movement, even though we felt strongly that the message of Occupy Wall Street was so crucial to bring to a larger forum.

From my perspective, these folks - and it doesn't take many of them – will insert themselves into any demonstration or movement that gives them an opportunity to cause a disturbance, because that's what they like to do. They are cowards and bullies. I've wanted to ask them directly, "if you believe what you are doing is so important and justifiable, why are you hiding behind the mask of anonymity and hijacking a demonstration with goals other than your own? Why not do your own action publicly and take full responsibility for it?"

Addressing the question of how to respond to black bloc and similar acts of provocation, vandalism and violence, since currently so much protest activism is driven my social media - it's both how people find out about protests to attend, and also get in-the-moment information of what's happening, which brings more people out whether to participate or act as witness – what I'd suggest is using that forum to develop a simple protocol for peaceful activists to use in any type of protest demonstration where a splinter group engages in violence.

One idea might be to adopt a simple chant, the moment that any vandalism or violent action occurs along the lines of: "Peaceful protest, turn around, sit down. Violence out!". Then act on that chant by turning around and sitting down in place. If the protest is large, it would take a bit of time to ripple out, also time for folks to stop in place.

What this action would do: 1) send a clear message to police and public which demonstrators supports peaceful action and who supports violent action; 2) it would separate out violent black bloc type protestors – they would either become visible (and arrestable), or dissipate into the surrounding observer crowd rendering them less disruptive; and 3) it would hopefully diffuse tension with police as seated protestors are generally not considered threatening or harmful.

Once the protest has calmed down, if protesters chose to continue a march – and it's important that protestors have the democratic right to exercise their free speech – they might actually do so with police escort ensuring safety for all present. A very different type of engagement than being behind a line of police in riot gear. Granted this kind of action would only work in communities like ours in Oakland, Berkeley, and SF, where there's generally government support for public protest and respect for first amendment rights.

Remember, yesterday's protest started as a 5pm die-in at an intersection near downtown Berkeley where police had shut down traffic to enable the protest to take place, safely I might add. Once the protestors decided to get up and walk/march, Berkeley police followed on bicycle patrol. It was only after protestors walked to Berkeley Police Station and became confrontational that things escalated. While there is no way to evaluate yet whether there was any excessive use of force used during the course of the demonstration, it was hardly not a case of riot-wielding police tactics from the get-go attempting to shut down free speech.

While I agree there have been and continue to be egregious actions by individual police officers as well as some police departments (Cleveland PD was just placed under federal decree) that definitely need to be addressed, it behooves us to work toward engaging police in a positive manner. They are community members too. (Along those lines I had some very positive and illustrative moments engaging with SF police while getting arrested in civil disobedience immediate following the start of the Iraq war.) We build community and public support when our actions clearly follow our principles.



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This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #1
In these cases the police weren't inflicting violence daredtowork Dec 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #4
Hey, I'm not against the revolution actually fighting back daredtowork Dec 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #7
I think that's what the other poster was stating WhiteTara Dec 2014 #34
City leaders/planners need to be made aware of this daredtowork Dec 2014 #50
I'd say it's at least a 50-50 chance it was the cops. lob1 Dec 2014 #73
Chicago police blared 'Sweet Home Alabama' around black protestors, so it's likely not one-sided. ancianita Dec 2014 #114
Canadian police have been caught infiltrating demonstrations apparently as agents provocateur Fumesucker Dec 2014 #3
WOW! daredtowork Dec 2014 #5
Yup. Here's something to ask yourself... Scootaloo Dec 2014 #8
Yep, I am asking that right here. daredtowork Dec 2014 #9
This happens all too often. PotatoChip Dec 2014 #13
They surrounded a guy who took their picture and forced him to give up his film daredtowork Dec 2014 #53
Correction thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #18
Oh good. What city isthat? Is there more information? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #21
Uh, it's Berkeley. thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #65
Not at that image size I can't Scootaloo Dec 2014 #66
Ah, DU formats image links weirdly. thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #68
I can read it on the back of the cars, and on the shoulder patches. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #93
Was he charged? Spend time in jail? Scuba Dec 2014 #36
I can't verify that he was charged or jailed. thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #70
I was at the Inaugural protests in 2001 deutsey Dec 2014 #104
I don't have a twitter account daredtowork Dec 2014 #10
They are police infiltrators. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #11
It sucks that the people of Berkeley would buy into that, then daredtowork Dec 2014 #12
Can you say "COINTELPRO"? Ford_Prefect Dec 2014 #14
No - I've been thinking the "private hire" storyline myself daredtowork Dec 2014 #54
I never discount the possibility that RWers, either in or out of government, are the instigators. merrily Dec 2014 #15
In the 60s we used to say, "Beware the spit-shined sandals!" FraDon Dec 2014 #16
+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #29
My job in demos: Parade marshall. I was on the lookout Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #46
The shoes tell the story to this day, IMO. nt Raine1967 Dec 2014 #49
to all those who "know' they are provocateurs, fbi, angry teenagers, bored housewives.... ellenrr Dec 2014 #17
Don't need to know them, just keep 'em isolated, Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #47
The problem is if they do the damage, they do undermine the protest daredtowork Dec 2014 #55
I dont believe in the conspiracy theories that they are police davidn3600 Dec 2014 #19
The police will infiltrate if they have to. stone space Dec 2014 #26
Yep. Had to deal with some. They throw a lot of Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #48
I don't believe it's always from "Outside the Community" daredtowork Dec 2014 #59
you really should educate yourself as to what anarchism is before you spout a whole ellenrr Dec 2014 #100
That's not what anarchism is about. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #105
During the antiwar rallies in NYC before the war in Iraq, I saw a couple of those guys harrassing peacebird Dec 2014 #20
Might be a couple rogue "Darren Wilson Supporters" in the mix nt daredtowork Dec 2014 #58
I'm certain that some Black Bloc members are genuine. thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #22
What school or institution were these students from? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #39
My school thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #64
sure, let's see your proof, thanks uppityperson Dec 2014 #45
I'm not posting my student ID if that's what you want. thoughtandmemory Dec 2014 #67
I was just reply I to your claim "I can provide proof". you said it, so sure, I'd be happy to uppityperson Dec 2014 #96
The distinction betwen Agents Provocateurs and sincere assholes... stone space Dec 2014 #23
Exactly. And it id a good thing to accept the fact that they might NOT be police. arcane1 Dec 2014 #63
In my twisted mind, I see the day when safeinOhio Dec 2014 #24
They aren't necessarily on-duty cops or agents daredtowork Dec 2014 #56
They may be police themselves. Note nothing ever seems to happen to them. They always get away. n kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #25
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #101
Speculation is not necessary. rogerashton Dec 2014 #27
How many times do you have to see a tactic not working? daredtowork Dec 2014 #57
It not only doesn't work, it is destructive. rogerashton Dec 2014 #69
What do you suggest the peaceful protesters do? daredtowork Dec 2014 #71
Well, that's the dilemma rogerashton Dec 2014 #72
Possible tactics to disrupt Black Block actions PeacefulIntention Dec 2014 #76
While trying to stop them, a peaceful protester got hit on the head with a hammer tonight daredtowork Dec 2014 #97
Safer and more useful to disengage from violent protesters PeacefulIntention Dec 2014 #98
This sounds smart, and I defer to the poster's experience. rogerashton Dec 2014 #103
There's a textbook around about this shit... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #28
Exactly! "a few might be caught for show, but then the story ends." It's the SOS again, RKP5637 Dec 2014 #32
Teabaggers hoping to get a full blown riot started. ileus Dec 2014 #30
You said it with these words madokie Dec 2014 #31
Yep, exactly what is going on IMO. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #33
It was perfected by Fred Phelps loyalsister Dec 2014 #95
I'm happy that old bastard is gone madokie Dec 2014 #99
They're not "infiltrators" Prism Dec 2014 #35
The fact that protests inconvenience the locals Generic Other Dec 2014 #37
"Inconvenience the locals" Prism Dec 2014 #38
I am not an anarchist Generic Other Dec 2014 #40
What I've noticed about DU and (white) America is that it's become verboten to question the system Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #109
Revolutionary times? Really. hack89 Dec 2014 #75
They keep happening all over the world Generic Other Dec 2014 #77
Nothing of that scale in America hack89 Dec 2014 #79
The British said that about the Boston Massacre Generic Other Dec 2014 #80
Don't put words in my mouth hack89 Dec 2014 #81
You used the words "side show" Generic Other Dec 2014 #83
You are trying too hard to be outraged. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #84
My blood pressure is not even close to outrage level Generic Other Dec 2014 #85
You are the one who twisted my use of the phrase side show hack89 Dec 2014 #86
I didn't call you anything. You called me "delusional" Generic Other Dec 2014 #89
Ok. Have a nice revolution. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #102
Were any of the 'assholes' arrested and put on trial? If so, names and identities, please? Otherwise KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #41
This exactly what the "anarchists" were trying to do daredtowork Dec 2014 #61
Now the anarchists are to blame for attempting to shut down the freeway. Lol. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #106
I thought it was obvious they were cops? MelungeonWoman Dec 2014 #42
Obvious to me Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #51
Whoop it up for them ....... Historic NY Dec 2014 #43
they show up at every protest of any kind and have for many years TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #44
But it sounds so much cooler to pretend they're all cops, and that there are no assholes present. arcane1 Dec 2014 #113
The anarchists have been caught and arrested, though when arrested they usually don't claim okaawhatever Dec 2014 #52
COINTELPRO, anyone? Hekate Dec 2014 #60
Bullshit, go back and look at the photos... Historic NY Dec 2014 #82
During the 2003 protests in SF, they were young kids doing the same thing arcane1 Dec 2014 #62
check this out, Oakland PD caught in the act Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #74
No doubt that Law Enforcement agents and assets are in the crowds. Youtube: NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #87
OMG I think I saw that guy tonight! daredtowork Dec 2014 #90
I imagine lots of possibilities, all valid, all occur from time to time. These include: NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #91
I used to see them at ANSWER protests ucrdem Dec 2014 #92
You DO know that ANSWER is to the left of anarchism Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #108
They're still around. I don't know that and I'm not sure it's true. ucrdem Dec 2014 #111
I don't have a problem with ANSWER per se, but they certainly seemed bizarrely effective Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #112
At the time I was there, I didn't see any cops in uniform daredtowork Dec 2014 #94
Probably real anarchists; extremists are on the rise everywhere Albertoo Dec 2014 #78
Saw the anarchists in DC during the Bush years Oilwellian Dec 2014 #88
Anarchist groups routinely get infiltrated, just like the Democratic party. n/t Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #107
LOL Oilwellian Dec 2014 #110
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