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In reply to the discussion: Thinking about the TPP. FDR regarding tariffs: [View all]djean111
(14,255 posts)3. Very little of the TPP has anything to do with what tariffs are still existing.
Most of the TPP is about giving corporations the ability to stifle competition and to sue in private courts over regulations they feel hamper their profits. Which is all regulations, of course.
Anyone who continues to describe or excuse the TTP (or TTIP or any other trade agreement) as merely about tariffs (I think only 5 of the sections of the TTP are actually about tariffs) is a willing or unwitting tool of the 1%. I am sure I will read something about "lifting up the very poor in Asia" here at DU if/when Fast Track is granted. No, the TPP is about pushing all of us down to that level, and doing away with protections and regulations.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/on-the-wrong-side-of-globalization/?_r=3
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Today, the purpose of trade agreements is different. Tariffs around the world are already low. The focus has shifted to nontariff barriers, and the most important of these for the corporate interests pushing agreements are regulations. Huge multinational corporations complain that inconsistent regulations make business costly. But most of the regulations, even if they are imperfect, are there for a reason: to protect workers, consumers, the economy and the environment.
Whats more, those regulations were often put in place by governments responding to the democratic demands of their citizens. Trade agreements new boosters euphemistically claim that they are simply after regulatory harmonization, a clean-sounding phrase that implies an innocent plan to promote efficiency. One could, of course, get regulatory harmonization by strengthening regulations to the highest standards everywhere. But when corporations call for harmonization, what they really mean is a race to the bottom.
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The secrecy might be enough to cause significant controversy for the TPP. What we know of its particulars only makes it more unpalatable. One of the worst is that it allows corporations to seek restitution in an international tribunal, not only for unjust expropriation, but also for alleged diminution of their potential profits as a result of regulation. This is not a theoretical problem. Philip Morris has already tried this tactic against Uruguay, claiming that its antismoking regulations, which have won accolades from the World Health Organization, unfairly hurt profits, violating a bilateral trade treaty between Switzerland and Uruguay. In this sense, recent trade agreements are reminiscent of the Opium Wars, in which Western powers successfully demanded that China keep itself open to opium because they saw it as vital in correcting what otherwise would be a large trade imbalance.
.....There are other noxious provisions. America has been fighting to lower the cost of health care. But the TPP would make the introduction of generic drugs more difficult, and thus raise the price of medicines. In the poorest countries, this is not just about moving money into corporate coffers: thousands would die unnecessarily. Of course, those who do research have to be compensated. Thats why we have a patent system. But the patent system is supposed to carefully balance the benefits of intellectual protection with another worthy goal: making access to knowledge more available. Ive written before about how the system has been abused by those seeking patents for the genes that predispose women to breast cancer. The Supreme Court ended up rejecting those patents, but not before many women suffered unnecessarily. Trade agreements provide even more opportunities for patent abuse.
The worries mount. One way of reading the leaked negotiation documents suggests that the TPP would make it easier for American banks to sell risky derivatives around the world, perhaps setting us up for the same kind of crisis that led to the Great Recession.
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As I said, anyone who blandly says the TPP et al. are just about tariffs is a willing or unwitting tool of the 1%. IMO and all that.
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Here's an actual liberal view(which is of course correct). Maybe you can post something from Fox
RiverLover
Dec 2014
#7
FDR was right on. Tariffs should protect the living standards of the American worker.
Enthusiast
Dec 2014
#2
"In FDR's view high tariffs shifted the burden of financing the government from the rich to the poor
pampango
Dec 2014
#16
Very little of the TPP has anything to do with what tariffs are still existing.
djean111
Dec 2014
#3
I certainly hope you did not think that with my post I was suggesting that the TPP is just about
JDPriestly
Dec 2014
#13
Of course, he campaigned against and negotiated away most of the high tariffs he inherited
pampango
Dec 2014
#15
Unfortunately, as our high trade deficit and declining wages prove, even multilateral trade
JDPriestly
Dec 2014
#17
But the wealth is safely in the hands of the wealthy elite and multinational corporations where
Enthusiast
Dec 2014
#20
Indeed I believe FDR knew that the elite have prospered under high tariffs and low. The key
pampango
Dec 2014
#22
I've posted many times that the TPP is only good if it has strong labor and environmental standards
pampango
Dec 2014
#24
Yeah, we heard about those mythical strong labor and environmental standards
Enthusiast
Dec 2014
#25
That was pretty quick going from "completely abandon any and all trade deals with nations that do
pampango
Dec 2014
#29
Wages declined from the early 1970's to the mid-1990's then increased. A NAFTA tragedy?
pampango
Dec 2014
#31