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DemandsRedPill

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26. doomed?

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:25 PM

Dec 2014

If you feel we are doomed then I suppose the best way to boil his statements down to something without all the fat would be

"Man needs nature"
"Nature does not need man"

Of course if there is any optimism at all we could try plan B

We went from feudalism to capitalism (with the failed experiment in what was called communism) but capitalism has no unbreakable lock on future destiny.
It is not written as a law of nature so it can and will be challenged.

There is an alternative that works pretty well and is carried on across the globe,although at far too small a scale.

It's called worker CO-OPS

Check out Mondragon in Spain for one of the more successful

Another approach that can also save our environment and us as a species is to convert to a no growth economy or a steady state economy

Lots of information out there on this concept

You may be discouraged and see the glass as less than half empty
Others willing to suppress all logic may see it as half full

I prefer to look at it and then ask "why the hell was the glass made like that"?

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