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Rex

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14. Okay this should be good, will hang around for the other shoe to drop on this one.

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:53 PM

Dec 2014

That was a smart move, either admit it or take them to court for what? Defamation of character or slander? However that does not mean they cannot be arrested and impounded (giggles) in another country like Germany. I dunno if that could be used as evidence in another nation's court, but they would have proof that the BFEE admitted to lying about a lot of things.

Put up or shut up. Fuck your museum you warmongering asshole. I'd love to see Cheney arrested in France or Germany.

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BREAKING : ACLU asks Pres. Obama to pardon Bush, Cheney, & company for torture. [View all] bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 OP

Link to opinion piece by Anthony D. Romero (of the ACLU) Solly Mack Dec 2014 #1

Thanks for including the link to the original piece! bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #7

oh HELL NO! being chares in the HAGUE WOULD BE A BETTER DETERRENT. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #40

Bush and Cheney have already made it clear the US is not a party to the Hague treaty. librechik Dec 2014 #77

Two things: Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #78

then we make sure HISTORIANS punish them. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #90

Even a squid squirts ink when in retreat. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #60

The ACLU has been in bizarro world ever since Citizens United... Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #100

Kind of like giving a grant of immunity Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #2

Ah, I wondered what the upside was. nt TBF Dec 2014 #22

Huh?!1 n/t UTUSN Dec 2014 #3

+1 freshwest Dec 2014 #16

To receive a pardon, one has to be convicted of a crime and serve at least shraby Dec 2014 #4

Same thing Gerald Ford was smoking? Iggo Dec 2014 #6

Was Nixon convicted when Ford pardoned him? Brother Buzz Dec 2014 #10

There ya go, the pardon's already written for him tularetom Dec 2014 #25

What penalty, resignation, referred to in the Nixon pardon, have Bush and company suffered? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #103

Not sure where you got that idea. The President's power of pardon is absolute. (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #15

I stand corrected. I did read that someplace but it may be better described shraby Dec 2014 #41

I think that you are thinking about the guidelines used to process most normal pardons Gothmog Dec 2014 #47

And yet Don Siegelman remains in prison Doctor_J Dec 2014 #44

That's not true at all. The President's power to pardon is specified in the Constitution PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Dec 2014 #21

I was trying to find where I saw that. Came up with zilch. I apologize for shraby Dec 2014 #45

Here's 2naSalit Dec 2014 #89

Nope. Pardon can happen any time after the crime was committed. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #26

that is not true dsc Dec 2014 #28

That might be your state or something. There doesn't have to be any time served or even a conviction TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #43

FAIL! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #46

That may be in some H2O Man Dec 2014 #71

um - no - anyone here at least 45 years old can personally remember President Ford - pardoning Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #82

Interesting idea, but they would certainly refuse the pardon. tritsofme Dec 2014 #5

And it would essentially doom them to remaining in a short list of nations Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #11

There are countries Bush can not travel to. people have sued for torture & our courts refuse them. Sunlei Dec 2014 #81

Think of it as a Get Out of Jail, Free card Brother Buzz Dec 2014 #17

Indeed. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #20

They can't MFrohike Dec 2014 #30

A person can refuse a Presidential Pardon according to US Supreme Court decisions... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #53

Interesting MFrohike Dec 2014 #96

Legally you can't refuse a pardon. That's why dead people can be pardoned. Recursion Dec 2014 #50

Live people can refuse a pardon, dead people are dead. PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #54

Huh thanks. I had no idea (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #56

Not sure it's that simple, see Burdick v. United States tritsofme Dec 2014 #64

And will conveniently play into the election of any Republican that voted to block GITMO closure Sheepshank Dec 2014 #88

Confession first. Pardon second. Iggo Dec 2014 #8

They have to confess to get immunity. Rex Dec 2014 #31

Bush and Cheney have confessed. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #38

Interesting. NV Whino Dec 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #12

Pardoning any figure in the Bush-Cheney Junta would represent a gross abrogation of KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #13

Okay this should be good, will hang around for the other shoe to drop on this one. Rex Dec 2014 #14

Interesting Recursion Dec 2014 #18

Pardon the people who gave the orders, what a fantastic idea. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #23

I completely disagree with this idea. 100%. closeupready Dec 2014 #24

Hum I'm usually right down the line with the ACLU jimlup Dec 2014 #27

ACLU shows its colors MFrohike Dec 2014 #29

Trickle down crocodile tears Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #91

very torn steve2470 Dec 2014 #32

My feelings exactly - that's why I'm totally wrestling with this idea in my mind. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #72

But before he pardons Bush, Cheny & Company, Obama should pardon Don Siegelman. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #33

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Dec 2014 #37

+1 OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #65

terrible idea for lots of reasons arely staircase Dec 2014 #34

Put them on trial Miigwech Dec 2014 #35

I would think that prosecution would diminish the chance of it ever taking place again Matariki Dec 2014 #36

Apparently that's a novel legal idea... n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #55

How many new terrorists would a pardon create? aspirant Dec 2014 #62

On the other hand, maybe The Hague? Matariki Dec 2014 #39

That would be to suppose that American Patriots engaged in torture/murder delrem Dec 2014 #42

Right because pardoning Nixon stopped all corruption in government. Drale Dec 2014 #48

I like the idea. chieftain Dec 2014 #49

If the only other option is to look forward, and that seems to be the case, then I like the idea n/t slipslidingaway Dec 2014 #51

That makes no sense. delrem Dec 2014 #59

Obama "We need to look forward" ... slipslidingaway Dec 2014 #83

Not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #52

my head will explode if he does it AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #57

They need to be prosecuted for their crimes onecaliberal Dec 2014 #58

Like Ford did Nixon, except Global. Octafish Dec 2014 #61

But i saw a movie that said we kill OBL because of torture! Calista241 Dec 2014 #63

I lost my business because of 9/11. nilesobek Dec 2014 #66

Good point a person could even get beat up or shot for speeding nowdays But these mass killers? nada lunasun Dec 2014 #79

IIRC, Nixon was advised that if he accepted the pardon, it would be a tacit admission.... Hekate Dec 2014 #67

Wow, they are wasting their money with this one. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #68

until I see a link, I don't believe it. nt Javaman Dec 2014 #69

Solly Mack provided the link to the original NYT piece in post #1. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #74

yeah, I had read that. Javaman Dec 2014 #75

We don't pardon war criminals! B Calm Dec 2014 #70

I thought Cheney and Obama had already publicly admited... NCTraveler Dec 2014 #73

yea, that's what we do. Let's hurry up and do it and get on with our librechik Dec 2014 #76

No. But good news is they would still be subject to prosecution outside USA on point Dec 2014 #80

... napkinz Dec 2014 #84

would repugs pardon a dem? dembotoz Dec 2014 #85

ACLU sometimes like to stoke controversy. I'd rather this gang of thugs just .... Hekate Dec 2014 #86

Bullshit!!! Hang those fuckers. And do it on national tv. Hotler Dec 2014 #87

The onion right? Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #92

Pardon Siegleman and let those suckers go to jail. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #93

No. After Cheney admits war crimes, maybe. Before? Absolutely NOT. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #94

Seems to me that would only encourage it whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #95

Fuck. That. 99Forever Dec 2014 #97

Wouldn't convictions and prison sentences also discourage it from ever happening again? aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #98

"diminish the chance of it ever taking place again?" It's happening NOW! MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #99

Great story! Mike Nelson Dec 2014 #101

Rachel discussing pardons now on MSNBC napkinz Dec 2014 #102