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DemocraticWing

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129. People change their mind all the time.

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:56 AM

Dec 2014

We can be big enough people to realize the Elizabeth Warren's political views in the 1990s don't really matter in terms of her current political allegiance. There were lots of moderate, fiscally conservative (balanced budgets and so on) Republicans in this country once upon a time. Bringing up the national party's stances on social issues not only ignores that many Republicans differed on those issues, and even more covers up lots of the shameful past of Democratic politicians on the issue.

Even if Elizabeth Warren didn't support equal rights for LGBT people in the 1990s (and there is no proof that is true) we shouldn't ignore that neither did Democrats. Bill Clinton signed harmful legislation, and Barack Obama apparently lied to the LGBT community on issue surveys as a State Senator before running as a religious conservative in 2008. Thank God he "evolved" on the issue, but oh wait, maybe we shouldn't allow people to change their minds as adults?

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Why Elizabeth Warren Left The GOP [View all] RiverLover Dec 2014 OP

Very disconcerting that so many fucked up things about the GOP don't seem on her radar at all. bettyellen Dec 2014 #1

I'm sorry you're disconcerted. I am too. RiverLover Dec 2014 #3

But Obama never actually WAS a Republican, while Warren admits that she was. ucrdem Dec 2014 #4

Obama is -being- a republican as our president, he said so. RiverLover Dec 2014 #6

She says elsewhere she thinks there needs to be two parties, & that neither should dominate. ucrdem Dec 2014 #7

Obama was responding to right wing attacks and it was on O'REillly on Fox JI7 Dec 2014 #11

Yes, exactly. ucrdem Dec 2014 #17

He was showing today's Republicans how unreasonable they are BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #128

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #185

NAILED. IT. Number23 Dec 2014 #188

why wouldn't she want to admit to voting for the Dem candidates for President ? JI7 Dec 2014 #9

She has said cleraly that she was a Republican until her early 40's. By that time she was wealthy Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #13

Liz's sponsored legislation while in office actively shows how Progressive she is, unlike RiverLover Dec 2014 #15

The way she and her supporters wave away all that shitty Republican history is not helpful. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #39

I hope she's not still anti-choice and anti-gay esp. as a Dem. now. That's unsettling. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #135

If you read her books, you realize that she became a Democrat because she did the research on JDPriestly Dec 2014 #161

I like her and think she has really come to arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #171

How did she get rich from Reaganomics? progressoid Dec 2014 #180

I am sure if you only care about economics, Warren looks good. On paper. bettyellen Dec 2014 #18

People kinda shit when they realize Nixon created the EPA... MADem Dec 2014 #150

Please see my Post #161. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #163

No, President Obama is not being a "republican as our president".. Your post shows you have no Cha Dec 2014 #51

He's said it. Its on video~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #54

So what? He might be on some issues in the 80s.. you're ignoring Krugman's defense of Obama Cha Dec 2014 #61

I don't like that we have a Democrat for President who sounds proud to be moderate Repulican. RiverLover Dec 2014 #65

I don't like that we have a come-lately Dem attacking him from the right. ucrdem Dec 2014 #70

Errrr, that would be attacking from the LEFT. And Obama said he's right of Nixon, so I know its RiverLover Dec 2014 #89

From the right. "Warren: Destroying ISIS should be 'No. 1 priority'" ucrdem Dec 2014 #99

What is so right about saying destroying ISIS should be a No. 1 priority? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #164

LOL! She was in the news long before she criticized Obama's nominee. merrily Dec 2014 #114

And she was GOP long before that. Yes I know. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #116

You know only because she was honest about it long before she ran for office. Please see Reply 90 merrily Dec 2014 #118

Not entirely honest. See the wiki bio I posted -- the one you said was scrubbed. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #122

What was dishonest about that quote? If you are going to keep smearing everyone's honesty, merrily Dec 2014 #125

I like what the President has Accomplished and I wish him all the Luck in the world.. you all Cha Dec 2014 #110

Wow. Thanks Cha, ucrdem Dec 2014 #113

"Obama said he would be considered a repub in the 80s"!!!!! OMZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Cha Dec 2014 #115

I think we can forgive that lapse ucrdem Dec 2014 #120

Are you saying Obama lied on TV or that you have a better grasp of 80s politics than does the POTUS? merrily Dec 2014 #158

thanks for posting a link to the American spectator Doctor_J Dec 2014 #130

It's a quote. And it's an accurate one. MADem Dec 2014 #134

I always wonder where the BOG gets their bizarre world view Doctor_J Dec 2014 #137

What was revealing about it? I'd like to know. MADem Dec 2014 #140

Excellent quote. Shows a lot of political acumen on Warren's part. Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #165

That's a quote from President Obama, JD. Cha Dec 2014 #166

Then it shows it on Obama's part. Good for him. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #168

There are no moderate republicans today so what are you talking about? still_one Dec 2014 #176

And Elizabeth Warren WAS a Republican in the eighties--what's your point, really? MADem Dec 2014 #132

I recall canvassing and registering voters house-to-house in the McGovern campaign in 1972. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #167

That was very common back then. MADem Dec 2014 #172

He said that he would be considered a moderate republican, not that he WAS a moderate republican... George II Dec 2014 #183

Yes, she never said she voted for Reagan or Bush, but she never said she DIDN't either! George II Dec 2014 #63

And a lot of other politicians never say who they did or did not vote for. Please see Reply 90. merrily Dec 2014 #117

And Michele Bachmann is not only on record voting for Jimmy Carter but campaigning for him! cascadiance Dec 2014 #178

How does 'moral advantage' help poor people? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #28

By helping them keep their homes for example: ucrdem Dec 2014 #31

What does any of that have to do with 'moral advantage'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #35

You asked, Will it prevent me from being foreclosed upon? ucrdem Dec 2014 #36

No, you showed me how actual legislation following policy would help me not be foreclosed on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #38

Okay, I'll make it simple. Obama is a Democrat and works toward Democratic goals. ucrdem Dec 2014 #42

Not strictly according to what Obama said, but what did the settlement with the banks show? merrily Dec 2014 #56

There is a lot of story being sold here. zeemike Dec 2014 #94

About here, it's partly our fault. DUs left of the left let themselves and each other be merrily Dec 2014 #100

That's about right. zeemike Dec 2014 #126

If I ever see an opportunity to repay, I will. merrily Dec 2014 #133

Tell me about it. zeemike Dec 2014 #142

Oh, I fall for it--but I edit quickly because I've seen enough posts about the alert plotters. merrily Dec 2014 #146

Oh I have seen that before. zeemike Dec 2014 #148

I love, "But, will you vote for Hillary anyway if she is the nominee? merrily Dec 2014 #149

It's bed time for me too. zeemike Dec 2014 #152

Sorry, I went to bed. Back now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #174

Some would say Obama has always been a Republican and still is. He said very close to that himself merrily Dec 2014 #30

Some will say just about anything on the internet. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #32

AS MY PRIOR POST SAID, Obama said as much on TV--and he should know. merrily Dec 2014 #33

And did you take her at her word? ucrdem Dec 2014 #37

About what? Or are you simply trying to change the subject from what Obama said about himself? merrily Dec 2014 #40

You brought up the Muslim remark. Own it. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #44

I own bringing up HILLARY's Muslim remark. HILLARY owns the Muslim remark. merrily Dec 2014 #47

"Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s" He said so, not me. I just think he is RiverLover Dec 2014 #49

Apparently, hero worshipping Obama includes pretending he never said what he said on national TV. merrily Dec 2014 #52

yeah, real "hero worship" sticking up for the President who so many are tearing down. You Cha Dec 2014 #60

Sticking up for the President is fine. Pretending he didn't say what he did say is not fine. merrily Dec 2014 #64

The only one pretending is you. I mentioned the FOX show in post #4. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #67

You had best be very specific or you'll only prove your own self a liar. merrily Dec 2014 #72

President Obama might have been considered a repub in the 80s on some issues.. that doesn't make Cha Dec 2014 #74

He didn't say on some issues, Cha. He said a moderate Republican in the 80's and merrily Dec 2014 #78

No, he didn't say on some issues.. I did. and I'm saying I don't care that Elizabeth Warren use Cha Dec 2014 #88

I don't care that she and Hillary both used to be Republicans (and yes, I know, merrily Dec 2014 #93

People don't have the right to change political parties, goddammit!! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #103

"President Obama said he would be considered a republican in the 80s"!!!! OMZZZZZZZZ! Cha Dec 2014 #111

"he and Hillary put Reagan, the Republican President of the 1980s, on their respective lists of best Number23 Dec 2014 #189

They're stuck in their parsing of words and making up shite as they go along.. Pres Obama on Cha Dec 2014 #197

Oh please!! you are just parsing the words of Legalequilibrium78 Dec 2014 #92

Nope. Didn't parse at all. I simply said what he said. No distortion whatever. merrily Dec 2014 #104

You're ignoring the context in which he said it treestar Dec 2014 #177

Obama doesn't have to own what he says on the campaign trail, but I have to own a merrily Dec 2014 #82

you mean like when the president goes on Fox and claims to be a republican? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #144

Actually, we don't know how he voted during the years whathehell Dec 2014 #184

We know Obama has been a Democratic office seeker longer than Warren has been a Democrat: ucrdem Dec 2014 #202

By only one year. Think Progress cites her as being a registered whathehell Dec 2014 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #23

Repukes started their war on women way before Lz changed parties... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #5

yep. I do not understand what is so hard to understand about that kind of red flag. bettyellen Dec 2014 #21

Thing is, a lot of candidates raise red flags. You just gotta pick the one you think is the merrily Dec 2014 #53

well, there are flags of all sizes, and that is a pretty huge one. I was younger than her, but bettyellen Dec 2014 #59

Do you support all the worst policies of every candidate for whom you've ever voted? merrily Dec 2014 #90

comparing Obama to Reagan is such complete and total bullshit. thanks for the lulz! bettyellen Dec 2014 #105

Actually, I made no comparison Simply said what Obama said and did. LOLing at truth doesn't change merrily Dec 2014 #108

you make absolutely no distinction between what presidents DO and the BS PR crap they say, and THAT bettyellen Dec 2014 #109

Actually, I watch both what they say and what they do, but thanks again for more info about your own merrily Dec 2014 #112

your focus, again and again, has been on PR bullshit, so as far as serious replies.... bettyellen Dec 2014 #119

As opposed to you fact free ad homs? But why are you waiting after I told you merrily Dec 2014 #123

LOL, okay then. bettyellen Dec 2014 #136

it's hilarious , picking out some politically calculated statement JI7 Dec 2014 #127

Yep, ignoring decades of a person's life and record and focusing on sound bites. bettyellen Dec 2014 #138

Still fact free, I see. No one demanded facts of you, let alone demanded them petulantly. merrily Dec 2014 #162

I did not ignore his life or his record. I just don't think he is lied when he made the comment. merrily Dec 2014 #156

you denied comparing him to Nixon, but then you do, again. Which is it? LOL. bettyellen Dec 2014 #186

Nixon? Gee for your sake, I hope the weather's nice in whatever world you're reading my posts from. merrily Dec 2014 #192

Reagan, Nixon..... what does it matter when it's a load of out of context bullshit? bettyellen Dec 2014 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Dec 2014 #195

Again, the link to the TV interview is on this this thread. Feel free to transcribe the interview to merrily Dec 2014 #196

When one votes for a candidate for President, one doesn't know IN ADVANCE whether or not.... George II Dec 2014 #179

I don't know Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #155

What about Hillary's very own "racially tinged" 2008 campaign against Obama? merrily Dec 2014 #159

Indeed Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #169

From your keyboard to God's monitor. merrily Dec 2014 #170

That is true of more than one Democratic politician. merrily Dec 2014 #41

agreed Skittles Dec 2014 #154

"They loaded up on risk, they crashed the economy, they got bailed out." ucrdem Dec 2014 #2

I don't think she was still voting for them when Obama and Bush agreed on the bail out. merrily Dec 2014 #43

Yeah. Republicans were totally against Wall Street pre-1991. onehandle Dec 2014 #8

Nice pic. You know St Ronnie started out as a Democrat, right? RiverLover Dec 2014 #10

Ronnie did it out of opportunism and that is common among his followers..... Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #14

And Hillary Rodham started out as a Republican working for various GOP groups when she was young. TeamPooka Dec 2014 #95

And someone named Wayne LaPierre. Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #139

Reagan, the guy who made the 10 best POTUS's ever lists of both Hillary and Obama in 2008? merrily Dec 2014 #45

Elizabeth Warren: Democrats vs Republicans | msnbc RiverLover Dec 2014 #12

For Warren fans, I have good and bad news. merrily Dec 2014 #16

Here's what her wiki bio said last week, from a post I never finished: ucrdem Dec 2014 #20

Okay, then the "Find" feature of my browser missed it because I searched seconds before I posted. merrily Dec 2014 #27

FYI, all previous versions of a Wikipedia article are almost always available. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #198

Thank you so much. Good to know. Thanks for taking the time. I'll bookmark. merrily Dec 2014 #199

My pleasure. Please especially let me know if you want any help editing Wikipedia. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #201

Anybody who has read her autobiography would know that. Cleita Dec 2014 #19

Ain't that the truth. Same with my parents. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #22

Reagan Republicans were not honest nor even decent. Sorry. They were a vicious, ignorant bigoted Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #48

So why was he elected twice? Cleita Dec 2014 #69

$$$- people were stupid and gave him credit for the economic recovery. and I can accept that from bettyellen Dec 2014 #141

Elizabeth Warren: 'Wealth trickles up' RiverLover Dec 2014 #24

I am glad she switched and that she is a fighter for fairness. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #25

Me either. If we hold that persuasion is impossible, then we're doomed. closeupready Dec 2014 #55

Huh?? That's the only thing that bothered her about the GOP?? DCBob Dec 2014 #26

Elizabeth Warren Speaks Out Against The President�s Trans-Pacific �Free Trade� Agreement RiverLover Dec 2014 #29

Because we know Congress would make it soooo much better. ucrdem Dec 2014 #34

Great job, Senator Warren! RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #46

Amazing isn't it? RiverLover Dec 2014 #50

Some Hillary supporters sure are acting all scared and shit! Spew all you want about she used to be ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #57

Hillary also used to be a Republican too. Cleita Dec 2014 #75

Yea, too many here conveniently forget about that shit and happily call EW out for having been.... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #79

I didn't know that. And they bash EW? I'm just speechless... RiverLover Dec 2014 #81

Not merely a Republican voter, either. merrily Dec 2014 #131

Elizabeth Warren Comes Down Hard Against Keystone XL Pipeline RiverLover Dec 2014 #58

And Democrats want THIS for their Presidential candidate? ...... George II Dec 2014 #62

Are you referring to Elizabeth Warren as a "this"??? Are you de-humanizing this good woman ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #68

Ah, the ol' "dehumanizing" defense and "anti-woman crap" crap..... George II Dec 2014 #71

How about you use the language a little more effectively so everyone knows what you mean to say? ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #76

Just HOW would you have liked me to word it? Why don't YOU write it for me? George II Dec 2014 #84

Ok, how's this: "And this is the person Democrats want as their presidential candidate?" Answer: ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #91

I took out the anti-woman part of my post because I've decided I don't know you well enough to ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #96

I assume your handle is a British King? eom Cleita Dec 2014 #77

Your assumption is WRONG. Maybe my father was named George and my son is named George??? George II Dec 2014 #85

Thank you ChisholmTrailDem!! They sound as obnoxious as Fox viewers. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #73

And she switched when she thought the same thing of Democrats as she used to think of Republicans. merrily Dec 2014 #157

It sure took her for a while to see through the Republicans. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #66

Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren: They have less in common than you think RiverLover Dec 2014 #80

+1 progressoid Dec 2014 #182

Warren would make a fine president. alfredo Dec 2014 #83

Indeed. :) nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #86

Ronald Reagan was a Democrat & became the 'Greatest Republican Pres' ever, so Warren can do it too TeamPooka Dec 2014 #87

Absolutely. neverforget Dec 2014 #97

No surprise, but that's exactly my take on it too. RiverLover Dec 2014 #98

Warren obviously had major blind spots that would give many Democratic primary voters pause BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #101

yeah, I don't know how anyone can whitewash supporting republicans of that era.... bettyellen Dec 2014 #107

No one's past sins are going to cover the ones another embraces to this day. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #145

I'm not saying you do this BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #147

Still not going to cover up Clinton's current positions and agenda on economics, civil liberties, or TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #187

I'm not invested in either candidate and hope Warren runs BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #191

I really like her, just to bad she said she wasnt looking to run in 2016 but maybe she will change cstanleytech Dec 2014 #102

I'll vote for Warren or Clinton in the ge gwheezie Dec 2014 #106

Agree with your post 100%. I respect both women tremendously but apparently thats not Rowdyboy Dec 2014 #121

Lol, I hope he runs too gwheezie Dec 2014 #124

Ladies and gentlemen, can we have a round of applause for the smartest guy in the room? MADem Dec 2014 #153

People change their mind all the time. DemocraticWing Dec 2014 #129

it would matter if we are talking about a run for President JI7 Dec 2014 #143

So it must really bother you that Hillary used to be Republcan too? RiverLover Dec 2014 #173

no matter the reason she left the GOP Terra Alta Dec 2014 #151

Me too. Plus - Hillary is pushing the TPP - NOW - and that is what counts, for me. djean111 Dec 2014 #160

Hillary isn't my first choice, either. Terra Alta Dec 2014 #181

I'll gladly vote for a "former Republican" over a DINO. Scuba Dec 2014 #175

I will gladly do the same.. whathehell Dec 2014 #205

So she didn't care about frazzled Dec 2014 #190

Is it kind of breath taking that some can ignore all of that? bettyellen Dec 2014 #194

Still not voting for Hillary. U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #200

Good! RiverLover Dec 2014 #203