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pampango

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29. That was pretty quick going from "completely abandon any and all trade deals with nations that do
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:15 AM
Dec 2014

not have a similar or greater living standards" to "We do not want another trade deal. Period." Regardless of living standards, I assume.

And this is premised on the belief that there is no such thing as a good international agreement or trade deal? Does this mean we abandon all international climate change international negotiations because they cannot, by definition, be good? After all, past ones have not worked.

Trade is a miniscule part of our economy compared to what it is in really progressive countries. Imports are 13% of our economy; 34% of Germany's economy. Guess which country has higher wages and stronger unions, middle class and safety net. If trade deals are so bad how is that even possible?

The TPP is an opportunity to inject labor/human rights and environmental standards into trade rules. While those standards are in the guidelines that Obama set for the negotiations, I am skeptical that there will be enforceable standards in the final draft. If they are not in there, the TPP is, as Krugman states, "no big deal" and should be shot down.

Again, I don't see Obama getting fast track authority from a republican congress because that would keep the republican majority from being able to delete any liberal provisions in the TPP and add in any conservative ones they want. And there are a lot of Democrats in congress that don't want him to have fast track authority either.

Did it work? Did it work? Anyone?... Recursion Dec 2014 #1
Thanks for that astute assessment, Rush. RiverLover Dec 2014 #4
Here's an actual liberal view(which is of course correct). Maybe you can post something from Fox RiverLover Dec 2014 #7
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #18
Another fail, Recursion. Scuba Dec 2014 #9
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #19
Let's see... in FDR's first term... MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #10
FDR was right on. Tariffs should protect the living standards of the American worker. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #2
Thank you. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #12
"In FDR's view high tariffs shifted the burden of financing the government from the rich to the poor pampango Dec 2014 #16
Very little of the TPP has anything to do with what tariffs are still existing. djean111 Dec 2014 #3
Good info. Thanks~nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #5
I certainly hope you did not think that with my post I was suggesting that the TPP is just about JDPriestly Dec 2014 #13
K & R Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #6
K&R Scuba Dec 2014 #8
as djean notes up above, TPP is much worse than just tariffs Doctor_J Dec 2014 #11
Dr. Dean talked about the need for tariffs when he was running for president Mosby Dec 2014 #14
Of course, he campaigned against and negotiated away most of the high tariffs he inherited pampango Dec 2014 #15
Unfortunately, as our high trade deficit and declining wages prove, even multilateral trade JDPriestly Dec 2014 #17
But the wealth is safely in the hands of the wealthy elite and multinational corporations where Enthusiast Dec 2014 #20
Indeed I believe FDR knew that the elite have prospered under high tariffs and low. The key pampango Dec 2014 #22
You are entitled to your opinion. I'll side with FDR. pampango Dec 2014 #21
The TPP creates international Corporate Supremacy®. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #23
I've posted many times that the TPP is only good if it has strong labor and environmental standards pampango Dec 2014 #24
Yeah, we heard about those mythical strong labor and environmental standards Enthusiast Dec 2014 #25
We are both skeptical about their inclusion in the TPP. pampango Dec 2014 #27
We do not want another trade deal. Period. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #28
That was pretty quick going from "completely abandon any and all trade deals with nations that do pampango Dec 2014 #29
Problem is the GDP does not reflect median income. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #30
Wages declined from the early 1970's to the mid-1990's then increased. A NAFTA tragedy? pampango Dec 2014 #31
Fantastic quote! Thanks! MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #26
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