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The2ndWheel

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22. It was by default if we had any moral high ground in the first place

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:32 PM

Dec 2014

Now with no other superpower to be compared to, here we are. There's a reason empires/centers of power do bad shit. A) Because of course they can if they want to, B) there is no objective truth, and C) it's not easy running the show. Morals are subject to time and place. They can change slowly, or on a whim.

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God Damn This Country. [View all] Odin2005 Dec 2014 OP

Is it too far gone? BubbaFett Dec 2014 #1

And the HONEST question is, can we name ONE current American politician who would bring NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #2

I think Janet Reno as AG would have nailed 'em back in the day KeepItReal Dec 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #5

Sanders' Attorney General designee might, as might Russ Feingold's. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #23

Never say what politicians would do -- or wouldn't -- or wouldn't have done. nichomachus Dec 2014 #26

President Obama can and should be criticized for many things. But one of his first acts upon KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #27

And yet we might be in for another 4 years of that horrible family back in charge. Initech Dec 2014 #4

I'd add kudos to the Senate Intelligence Committee for releasing the brutal overview of the programs pinto Dec 2014 #6

Statements like this only serve to strengthen the GOP, though. randome Dec 2014 #7

Are you seriously using the "HE DID IT FIRST!!!" argument? Odin2005 Dec 2014 #8

how about the "he is still doing it" argument snooper2 Dec 2014 #9

Hardly. randome Dec 2014 #17

No... it seems rather tame given the actions of a nation that holds itself as an example LanternWaste Dec 2014 #19

Oh, so now you are nit-picking over a figure of speech? I'm an Atheist, FFS. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #20

Again, I've never heard another country say "Goddamn us" when their own travesties are revealed. randome Dec 2014 #24

It is worse than 'anyone else's", because we're America, we're not supposed to do that. We have ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #11

That ship sailed decades ago. randome Dec 2014 #18

I think the ship foundered in the Mekong Delta ca. 1954. But the world forgave us Vietnam. This, not KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #28

It was by default if we had any moral high ground in the first place The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #22

and to think hfojvt Dec 2014 #10

They would then be the same dogmatic half-wits who rationalized the original actions LanternWaste Dec 2014 #21

Not only free, but allowed to twist the public conversation to normalize torture Matariki Dec 2014 #12

Once upon a time I would have firmly believed that it they did not pay here in this life they would jwirr Dec 2014 #13

How'djah like them Lindsay Graham remarks, Odin? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #14

Not to mention the ones who actually did the torture...the Patriots under a lot of pressure. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #15

marco rubio (asshole-F) says it's all just to embarrass the bu$h adm.... spanone Dec 2014 #16

Didn't the Bush admin. try and convict Scooter Libby aspirant Dec 2014 #30

Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #25

Oh, you libruls. progressoid Dec 2014 #29

My anger comes from the distance between our claims and our actions. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #31