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Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:07 PM

Dec 2014

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BREAKING : ACLU asks Pres. Obama to pardon Bush, Cheney, & company for torture. [View all] bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 OP

Link to opinion piece by Anthony D. Romero (of the ACLU) Solly Mack Dec 2014 #1

Thanks for including the link to the original piece! bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #7

oh HELL NO! being chares in the HAGUE WOULD BE A BETTER DETERRENT. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #40

Bush and Cheney have already made it clear the US is not a party to the Hague treaty. librechik Dec 2014 #77

Two things: Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #78

then we make sure HISTORIANS punish them. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #90

Even a squid squirts ink when in retreat. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #60

The ACLU has been in bizarro world ever since Citizens United... Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #100

Kind of like giving a grant of immunity Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #2

Ah, I wondered what the upside was. nt TBF Dec 2014 #22

Huh?!1 n/t UTUSN Dec 2014 #3

+1 freshwest Dec 2014 #16

To receive a pardon, one has to be convicted of a crime and serve at least shraby Dec 2014 #4

Same thing Gerald Ford was smoking? Iggo Dec 2014 #6

Was Nixon convicted when Ford pardoned him? Brother Buzz Dec 2014 #10

There ya go, the pardon's already written for him tularetom Dec 2014 #25

What penalty, resignation, referred to in the Nixon pardon, have Bush and company suffered? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #103

Not sure where you got that idea. The President's power of pardon is absolute. (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #15

I stand corrected. I did read that someplace but it may be better described shraby Dec 2014 #41

I think that you are thinking about the guidelines used to process most normal pardons Gothmog Dec 2014 #47

And yet Don Siegelman remains in prison Doctor_J Dec 2014 #44

That's not true at all. The President's power to pardon is specified in the Constitution PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Dec 2014 #21

I was trying to find where I saw that. Came up with zilch. I apologize for shraby Dec 2014 #45

Here's 2naSalit Dec 2014 #89

Nope. Pardon can happen any time after the crime was committed. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #26

that is not true dsc Dec 2014 #28

That might be your state or something. There doesn't have to be any time served or even a conviction TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #43

FAIL! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #46

That may be in some H2O Man Dec 2014 #71

um - no - anyone here at least 45 years old can personally remember President Ford - pardoning Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #82

Interesting idea, but they would certainly refuse the pardon. tritsofme Dec 2014 #5

And it would essentially doom them to remaining in a short list of nations Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #11

There are countries Bush can not travel to. people have sued for torture & our courts refuse them. Sunlei Dec 2014 #81

Think of it as a Get Out of Jail, Free card Brother Buzz Dec 2014 #17

Indeed. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #20

They can't MFrohike Dec 2014 #30

A person can refuse a Presidential Pardon according to US Supreme Court decisions... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #53

Interesting MFrohike Dec 2014 #96

Legally you can't refuse a pardon. That's why dead people can be pardoned. Recursion Dec 2014 #50

Live people can refuse a pardon, dead people are dead. PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #54

Huh thanks. I had no idea (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #56

Not sure it's that simple, see Burdick v. United States tritsofme Dec 2014 #64

And will conveniently play into the election of any Republican that voted to block GITMO closure Sheepshank Dec 2014 #88

Confession first. Pardon second. Iggo Dec 2014 #8

They have to confess to get immunity. Rex Dec 2014 #31

Bush and Cheney have confessed. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #38

Interesting. NV Whino Dec 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #12

Pardoning any figure in the Bush-Cheney Junta would represent a gross abrogation of KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #13

Okay this should be good, will hang around for the other shoe to drop on this one. Rex Dec 2014 #14

Interesting Recursion Dec 2014 #18

Pardon the people who gave the orders, what a fantastic idea. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #23

I completely disagree with this idea. 100%. closeupready Dec 2014 #24

Hum I'm usually right down the line with the ACLU jimlup Dec 2014 #27

ACLU shows its colors MFrohike Dec 2014 #29

Trickle down crocodile tears Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #91

very torn steve2470 Dec 2014 #32

My feelings exactly - that's why I'm totally wrestling with this idea in my mind. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #72

But before he pardons Bush, Cheny & Company, Obama should pardon Don Siegelman. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #33

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Dec 2014 #37

+1 OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #65

terrible idea for lots of reasons arely staircase Dec 2014 #34

Put them on trial Miigwech Dec 2014 #35

I would think that prosecution would diminish the chance of it ever taking place again Matariki Dec 2014 #36

Apparently that's a novel legal idea... n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #55

How many new terrorists would a pardon create? aspirant Dec 2014 #62

On the other hand, maybe The Hague? Matariki Dec 2014 #39

That would be to suppose that American Patriots engaged in torture/murder delrem Dec 2014 #42

Right because pardoning Nixon stopped all corruption in government. Drale Dec 2014 #48

I like the idea. chieftain Dec 2014 #49

If the only other option is to look forward, and that seems to be the case, then I like the idea n/t slipslidingaway Dec 2014 #51

That makes no sense. delrem Dec 2014 #59

Obama "We need to look forward" ... slipslidingaway Dec 2014 #83

Not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #52

my head will explode if he does it AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #57

They need to be prosecuted for their crimes onecaliberal Dec 2014 #58

Like Ford did Nixon, except Global. Octafish Dec 2014 #61

But i saw a movie that said we kill OBL because of torture! Calista241 Dec 2014 #63

I lost my business because of 9/11. nilesobek Dec 2014 #66

Good point a person could even get beat up or shot for speeding nowdays But these mass killers? nada lunasun Dec 2014 #79

IIRC, Nixon was advised that if he accepted the pardon, it would be a tacit admission.... Hekate Dec 2014 #67

Wow, they are wasting their money with this one. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #68

until I see a link, I don't believe it. nt Javaman Dec 2014 #69

Solly Mack provided the link to the original NYT piece in post #1. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #74

yeah, I had read that. Javaman Dec 2014 #75

We don't pardon war criminals! B Calm Dec 2014 #70

I thought Cheney and Obama had already publicly admited... NCTraveler Dec 2014 #73

yea, that's what we do. Let's hurry up and do it and get on with our librechik Dec 2014 #76

No. But good news is they would still be subject to prosecution outside USA on point Dec 2014 #80

... napkinz Dec 2014 #84

would repugs pardon a dem? dembotoz Dec 2014 #85

ACLU sometimes like to stoke controversy. I'd rather this gang of thugs just .... Hekate Dec 2014 #86

Bullshit!!! Hang those fuckers. And do it on national tv. Hotler Dec 2014 #87

The onion right? Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #92

Pardon Siegleman and let those suckers go to jail. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #93

No. After Cheney admits war crimes, maybe. Before? Absolutely NOT. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #94

Seems to me that would only encourage it whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #95

Fuck. That. 99Forever Dec 2014 #97

Wouldn't convictions and prison sentences also discourage it from ever happening again? aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #98

"diminish the chance of it ever taking place again?" It's happening NOW! MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #99

Great story! Mike Nelson Dec 2014 #101

Rachel discussing pardons now on MSNBC napkinz Dec 2014 #102