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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
33. Unfortunately, the world doesn't care.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:43 PM
Dec 2014

Opinion polls are one thing, but actions are another. No government did anything to stop Bush - not one. France prevented UN approval, but never did anything that would have impacted their bottom line. When you really care that someone is a murdering, marauding rogue state, you do a little more than just refuse to actively encourage it. Everyone else was either equally hypocritical, accomplice to the crime, or itself a brutal state that could at most laugh at US hypocrisy rather than take any kind of credible moral stance.

And the same webs of global interest make war crimes prosecutions on any level unlikely. Have you noticed how no one was ever prosecuted for the vast, unimaginably horrific crimes of the Soviet Union even after its total collapse? No one cared enough to pay the geopolitical price for such a thing, either internally or externally; far easier and more profitable to simply exploit its successor states. The US GOP is far stronger than the wreckage of the Soviet state was after its collapse, and likely to exact considerable economic and diplomatic revenge on any state that appeared serious about prosecuting Bush's war crimes - and that's if any of them actually internally cared enough to try, which they don't.

The fact is, we don't either. We right here on DU and the broader activist left in America don't care enough to try. We're a bunch of cause-heads and intellectuals who enjoy taking positions more than doing anything with them. Are we going to stop the civil rights protests prompted by Ferguson and Garner in order to take up this subject? Or just write two different slogans on opposite sides of the protest signs (until a third issue comes up, and then we just go home?). Circulate petitions, just like all the others on the issue?

That's why it won't happen. But there is a small keyhole through which justice may occur - one that sometimes happens in history, to the bafflement of cynics: A discerning political animal somewhere may find it advantageous to seriously advance the issue. The reaction from the US GOP may be overwrought and cause blowback that paradoxically creates enemies of people who would otherwise not care. A spiral of similar events could develop. This is basically how Nixon was brought down, by a Congress that otherwise would have been content to look the other way on Watergate.

But it's not worth expecting such a thing. Never expect evil to be stupid at convenient times.

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Maybe there is more fleecing to do BubbaFett Dec 2014 #1
this is the same attitude they had when they took office Takket Dec 2014 #2
Yep. Bad strategy. Obama could've had them on their heels for his term on point Dec 2014 #4
and in the brief time Dems controlled both chambers, if they probed real reasons for Iraq War and... yurbud Dec 2014 #7
But if he did prosecute them, then he could be liable for his war crimes nichomachus Dec 2014 #18
Ouch! MissDeeds Dec 2014 #32
Republicans are the favorite servant of the rich, and Dems want that job yurbud Dec 2014 #6
Sending Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, Wolfowitz to prison would have HELPED rescue the country Doctor_J Dec 2014 #9
Obama is part of the "Big Club" George Carlin talked about. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #3
You are damn right about that, Odin. hifiguy Dec 2014 #14
No different than Ancient Rome. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #16
xactly 840high Dec 2014 #30
The republican house would never go for prosecutions onecaliberal Dec 2014 #5
Impeachment is off the table BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #8
How can anyone read this, and then wonder why Repuke voters are more enthusiastic? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #10
The party has lost its soul because they aided and abetted war crimes BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #11
what did she do about American Samoa? yurbud Dec 2014 #35
Machiavelli got it right: people judge only by the outcome. They don't care how the sausage is made yurbud Dec 2014 #17
This is why Republicans win BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #22
somehow Nixon got chased out of office for far less and we survived yurbud Dec 2014 #34
Because that's the way TPTB want it handled. hifiguy Dec 2014 #12
I have often wondered if Nixon was run out of office for his PEACE crimes: SALT & opening China yurbud Dec 2014 #19
The most believable story-behind-the-story of Watergate hifiguy Dec 2014 #20
Even Dean does not say Nixon was in the planning for Watergate. former9thward Dec 2014 #25
He stated he had no "reason to believe" that Nixon knew hifiguy Dec 2014 #28
I think it's the "related" part that drove him crazy yurbud Dec 2014 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #13
Why not ask the Congress to file suit? They are all ready to file suit against the President for kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #15
I knew that was going to happen LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #21
Simplicity itself BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #23
theoretically, we should have some influence over the current administration yurbud Dec 2014 #37
because we'll let them? because we'll forget by 2016? MisterP Dec 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Dec 2014 #26
Because he's as guilty as Bush, yurbud Scootaloo Dec 2014 #27
that look forward thinking is what destroys us samsingh Dec 2014 #29
Because there are many people like myself who consider....... NCTraveler Dec 2014 #31
Unfortunately, the world doesn't care. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #33
what would you like us to do about war crimes and torture? the surveillance state has been set up yurbud Dec 2014 #41
The most constructive responses have to come from lawyers and diplomats. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #42
I would assume it's because the torturing did not end when Bush left office. dilby Dec 2014 #38
Seriously 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #39
yes, it seemed pretty tame compared to what is already in the public record yurbud Dec 2014 #40
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