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Solly Mack

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Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:27 PM Dec 2014

Torture planning began in 2001, Senate report reveals (from 2009) [View all]

Just a blast from the past. 2009 Senate Armed Services Committee Report on Treatment of Detainees


To hear former President Bush tell it, you would think the United States only turned to the techniques in desperation. When Bush announced the existence of the CIA’s interrogation program in September 2006, for example, he argued that suspected al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah stopped cooperating with interrogators after his capture on March 28, 2002, forcing the agency to get rough. “We knew that Zubaydah had more information that could save innocent lives,” Bush said. “But he stopped talking. As his questioning proceeded, it became clear that he had received training on how to resist interrogation,” the president said. “And so, the CIA used an alternative set of procedures.”

Not to worry, the president explained. “The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively, and determined them to be lawful.”


But that’s not how it happened


To set up the torture program, the Department of Defense and the CIA reverse engineered something called SERE training, which was conducted by the JPRA. Based on Cold War communist techniques used to force false confessions, in SERE school elite U.S. troops undergo stress positions, isolation, hooding, slapping, sleep deprivation and, until recently, waterboarding to simulate illegal tactics they might face if captured by an enemy who violated the Geneva Conventions.

In either December 2001 or January 2002, two psychologists affiliated with the SERE program, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, developed the first written proposal for reverse engineering the training for use on al-Qaida suspects. Their paper made its way to the Joint Staff. (Salon first zeroed in on the pair in a June 2007 article.) The military also then began discussions at that time about using the ideas at Guantánamo.

In early March 2002, Jessen began two-week, “ad-hoc ‘crash’” courses for training government interrogators slated for Guantánamo. The courses therefore began before the allegedly uncooperative Zubaydah was ever captured, and Zubaydah was the first allegedly high-level al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody after 9/11.


Torture planning began in 2001, Senate report reveals
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Thanks for this thread, Solly. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #1
Bush's DOJ put out their 1st Torture Memo just 4 months after Sept. 11. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #3
I remember Alberto Gonzalez saying the Geneva Conventions was quaint. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #4
You're welcome. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #6
. Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #2
K&R G_j Dec 2014 #5
again from 2009: CIA threaten to kill children Solly Mack Dec 2014 #7
The "Salt Pit" from 2005 Solly Mack Dec 2014 #8
Marci Wheeler claims that a footnote reveals that Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #10
We murdered them even if they were guilty. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #11
You don't torture ESPECIALLY the bad guys. Volaris Dec 2014 #12
You're correct. Especially the bad guys. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #13
I 100% agree. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #16
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #9
From 2008: Top Bush Advisors Approved 'Enhanced Interrogation' Solly Mack Dec 2014 #14
I left the government employ when I saw where this was heading back in 02 NightWatcher Dec 2014 #15
I'm glad the summary came out and I want the full report w/o redactions to come out. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #18
Thanks for the thread, Solly Mack. brer cat Dec 2014 #17
Hey, brer cat! Solly Mack Dec 2014 #19
CIA's Harsh Interrogation Techniques Described - from 2005 Solly Mack Dec 2014 #20
I went through and graduated from this SERE school they speak of madokie Dec 2014 #21
OK. Solly Mack Dec 2014 #22
No matter the euphemism they used, it's still TORTURE suffragette Dec 2014 #23
Thanks, suffragette Solly Mack Dec 2014 #25
Recommend... KoKo Dec 2014 #24
from 2009 : Rumsfeld: Architect of torture Solly Mack Dec 2014 #26
From 2005: Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller (a continuation from the above post w/ added info) Solly Mack Dec 2014 #27
until recently, waterboarding to simulate illegal tactics they might face Bandit Dec 2014 #28
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