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2banon

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163. I'm afraid you don't understand my meaning.

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:12 PM

Dec 2014

I'm saying that although the term "tolerance" is modern parlance for embracing diversity (race/gender/sexual orientation/etc), I'm arguing that the term ("tolerance) falls short and that we should discontinue the use of that word for that purpose.

I'm suggesting, that the word "tolerance" actually implies the minimum (at best) of embracing diversity. In other words, we just "tolerate" diversity as opposed to actually embracing diversity.

Think of other aspects of life and people that we "tolerate". Say for instance, we tolerate ignorant morons in public spaces, because we live in a "free country" and people are free to be morons. And what are we gonna do otherwise? Say, hey dude, you're a rude moron for cutting in front of me in line!

Or we tolerate our neighbor for brandishing a bumper sticker that says: Bush/Cheney or "America. Love it or Leave it". we don't run over and rip the bumper sticker off his car, we tolerate his ignorance. because, we have to. As grown ups, we tolerate stupid people.

I hope this clarifies.

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I ask all DUers who serve on juries to hide bigoted slurs. [View all] MineralMan Dec 2014 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #1

Thank you. If the community does not tolerate such usages, MineralMan Dec 2014 #3

Clearly, many in the community do tolerate such usages Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #67

Remember Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase on SNL when they did... Stellar Dec 2014 #82

You're surprised a "go fuck yourselves" post was hidden? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #21

LOL Stop the pity-party. Bullies can be called out without your resorting to... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #25

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #27

Yeah, I don't *do* martyr. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #37

Ouch! Not. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #39

FWIW I don't think your post above should have been hidden tkmorris Dec 2014 #46

agreed G_j Dec 2014 #49

lots of that shit going on. be careful what you say. Ari? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #59

Ain't that the truth.> Even when someone uses that "Passive-Aggressive" bullshit and calls... BlueJazz Dec 2014 #106

Me Too ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #62

I think some are not even aware of the TOS, or don't bother to read them G_j Dec 2014 #109

Jurors are not asked to enforce the TOS. pintobean Dec 2014 #115

yep, my error, G_j Dec 2014 #120

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #55

Don't let up on them, but don't get yourself bumped. I support you even when we disagree! marble falls Dec 2014 #64

LOVE YOUR SIG LINE CHISOLMTRAILDEM Skittles Dec 2014 #91

when I am responding about heaven05 Dec 2014 #66

On the new DU we have to coddle the sensitivities of racists too. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #125

No, the mods would disappear those posts pintobean Dec 2014 #132

That's my recollection. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #152

Nah, what people don't like about the current system is too few of those posts are hidden. n/t Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #162

I hear that loud and clear heaven05 Dec 2014 #133

You should answer them, with words unminced. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #139

yeah, yeah yeah heaven05 Dec 2014 #140

nah Skittles Dec 2014 #93

So it becomes one big "go fuck yourselves" circle-jerk... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #119

IT'S FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles Dec 2014 #164

LOL 'Tis true, sometimes... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #166

Time out. pintobean Dec 2014 #168

None of them will subject themselves to a jury pintobean Dec 2014 #26

Oh, looky here! Hi there. Did you alert, again perhaps? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #29

lol. pintobean Dec 2014 #32

So are you. I remember. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #35

Remember from when? pintobean Dec 2014 #38

How do you know this: " None of them will subject themselves to a jury" Do you know them? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #40

wow heaven05 Dec 2014 #146

No, he dodged my question pintobean Dec 2014 #147

no he didn't heaven05 Dec 2014 #148

???? heaven05 Dec 2014 #100

I'm surprised heaven05 Dec 2014 #104

Share the elitist's "go fuck yourself," please. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #113

Go find it yourself heaven05 Dec 2014 #116

The onus is on you, my friend, you made the accusation. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #124

You don't merit heaven05 Dec 2014 #127

LOL Insults, victim mentality, accusations of harrassment... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #142

Right heaven05 Dec 2014 #144

"no alert, no hide, no one spoke up about that attack on me" pintobean Dec 2014 #118

I don't alert, ever heaven05 Dec 2014 #121

Then don't complain about posts not being hidden. pintobean Dec 2014 #122

yeah heaven05 Dec 2014 #123

It's so unfair. pintobean Dec 2014 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Dec 2014 #129

Everybody got it the first time. pintobean Dec 2014 #135

You are being insulting to another DUer muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #134

No I'm not heaven05 Dec 2014 #138

They're not being 'snarky' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #141

So you say heaven05 Dec 2014 #143

So you never speak up for anyone else? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #130

I always speak up for people I heaven05 Dec 2014 #137

"Go fuck yourself" is less offensive than the racist, sexist, classist, *-ist twaddle Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #149

I agree. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #150

And that's a problem with the "you take your chances" approach. Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #151

You can't tell other DUers to "go fuck themselves", period tkmorris Dec 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #34

Aren't you bullying other DUers by labeling them 'bullies' pintobean Dec 2014 #41

Eh...not really Veilex Dec 2014 #98

None of that made sense tkmorris Dec 2014 #43

I had someone tell me that exact quote heaven05 Dec 2014 #56

Some animals are more equal than others - Animal Farm LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #80

I've noticed that heaven05 Dec 2014 #83

"You can't tell other DUers to "go fuck themselves", period" - Really? Veilex Dec 2014 #95

The TOS is worthless, juries override that. It's useless, it should be taken down. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #105

You'll have to forgive me if I don't agree with you. Veilex Dec 2014 #157

I agree... hlthe2b Dec 2014 #2

Unless you are talking about gun owners. oneshooter Dec 2014 #5

If slurs attack all firearms owners, they should not be used. MineralMan Dec 2014 #8

Gun owners vkkv Dec 2014 #79

Are you a "ammosexual", do you have "the blood of children on your hands", oneshooter Dec 2014 #155

Gun's, gunpowder heaven05 Dec 2014 #96

One does not choose to be a specific gender, ethnicity, race, gender orientation, poor hlthe2b Dec 2014 #10

+1 LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #28

+2 BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #50

...and then there is "ammosexual." Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #52

You mean this guy? stone space Dec 2014 #54

Same type of inconsiderate people vkkv Dec 2014 #85

I don't understand the use of the word ammosexual. dilby Dec 2014 #73

It implies sexual arousal from guns and gun violence, or the fantasy thereof. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #111

I always thought AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #153

I think it is an attempt to make a sexual slur gender neutral... Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #167

The term borrows a slur. One of several Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #154

Endless penis talk has little to do with gender? Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #57

So if it is something you chose to do it's OK zeemike Dec 2014 #69

Exactly ... ownership of an inanimate object etherealtruth Dec 2014 #99

A juror remarked he/she would "never" hide a remark Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #60

As it should be. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #70

So you believe that it is correct and proper to insult gun owners? oneshooter Dec 2014 #156

Thank you. Again, my OP is not about any specific MineralMan Dec 2014 #6

I self identify as a "Progressive". But I don't share the "Tolerant" meme.. 2banon Dec 2014 #58

No--you are projecting something in the word "tolerance" that is so very wrong hlthe2b Dec 2014 #86

+1 Veilex Dec 2014 #101

I'm afraid you don't understand my meaning. 2banon Dec 2014 #163

I think the poster doesn't use the word "tolerance" F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #165

I 100 percent will. No exceptions for me. yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #4

I appreciate your willingness to do that. MineralMan Dec 2014 #7

What the hell happened? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #20

Yes a thread was made this morning yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #22

Ah. Will dig it up later. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #44

lol, you'll have a greater sense of satisfaction at the end of the day. Inkfreak Dec 2014 #75

LOL I do feel pretty good! WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #107

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2014 #9

Can I still call Barbara Bush a Pendejo? snooper2 Dec 2014 #11

Pendejo is not a slur on a recognizable group. MineralMan Dec 2014 #12

Why does she post here? Rex Dec 2014 #14

I think she trolls from time to time snooper2 Dec 2014 #16

Better watch out, I hear she has a real mouth on her. Rex Dec 2014 #19

There needs to be a master list Blue_Adept Dec 2014 #13

Bingo Android3.14 Dec 2014 #65

K&R. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #15

Of course! And alert on those found librechik Dec 2014 #17

What if it's quoted like this thread: BklnDem75 Dec 2014 #23

that quote in that title heaven05 Dec 2014 #51

It didn't need to be repeated... BklnDem75 Dec 2014 #74

if you say so. heaven05 Dec 2014 #77

If someone needs a offensive slur spelled out for them to get offended... BklnDem75 Dec 2014 #90

if you say so heaven05 Dec 2014 #97

I alerted on that thread. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #128

I do and will. Orsino Dec 2014 #24

Nice try but it won't make one bit of difference LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #30

K & R In_The_Wind Dec 2014 #33

And please don't try to justify one racial slur because it is not as bad as another Township75 Dec 2014 #36

Does this include dumbcat Dec 2014 #42

I don't use those terms myself, but being a Republican is a choice reflecting political views Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #47

True, but dumbcat Dec 2014 #88

I read a post about a waterfall that did not mention that it was wet. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #117

Maybe because dumbcat Dec 2014 #145

That's a voluntary group, not one that a default. MineralMan Dec 2014 #110

In response to your post, I have edited the OP MineralMan Dec 2014 #112

It is a shame that some people here need to use terms that are derogatory. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #45

I always hide bigoted slurs. Always. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #48

I agree wholeheartedly. Too many times it gets a pass here. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #53

I am asked to be on a jury quite often, janlyn Dec 2014 #61

Sure, if the person posting it is using it as a bigoted slur. Iggo Dec 2014 #63

I agree. We should hide posts that are clearly bigoted slurs. nt Enthusiast Dec 2014 #68

+1000 Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #71

I hope this is not fuel for a new witch hunt. zeemike Dec 2014 #72

People should just use common courtesy. dilby Dec 2014 #76

I do. And it's wierd seeing some fall over themselves defending some language. (nt) Inkfreak Dec 2014 #78

I just got spanked for agreeing that 'cracker' was a racist term. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #81

What do you mean spanked? dilby Dec 2014 #84

No, no deleted or alerted on or anything. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #103

I would apply the Presidential Test to the term. dilby Dec 2014 #108

if they weren't cowards they would hide ALL their passive-aggressive bullshit Skittles Dec 2014 #87

How about "redneck?" Is that still considered a slur? Or did Jeff Foxworthy neutralize it? tclambert Dec 2014 #89

I guess I don't see them like you do, MM... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #92

Even the most innocuous post with the best of intentions can create a firestorm here. n/t albino65 Dec 2014 #94

I did and include ethnic slurs. gordianot Dec 2014 #102

There are differences. rogerashton Dec 2014 #114

Frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether any individual MineralMan Dec 2014 #131

I have always vorted to hide bigoted and/or hate speech etherealtruth Dec 2014 #136

I make every jury decision I make, based on the alert and what it's alerted on and why. 99Forever Dec 2014 #158

Yes, well, everyone will do as they please, MineralMan Dec 2014 #159

And I answered. 99Forever Dec 2014 #160

It doesn't matter if it's OK with me. MineralMan Dec 2014 #161