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110. So what should my "plans" be?

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:40 AM

Dec 2014

For one thing, that's what leaders are for: to give us action plans. And that's why I'm still. Little pissed at Democratic leadership: the lack of leadership.

I'm not a blind follower, and I'm probably more pissed off about the torture than most citizens are.

However, I'm just a normal schmuck. I teach high school English in at-risk schools. In fact, I've devoted my life to it. I'm a Guardian ad Litem for kids in foster care as well as being a foster parent. In my free time, I either do environmental service projects with my nephew's Boy Scout troop, work on anti-bullying programs for my school, or go to professional developments or continuing education, and on the rare moments of free time (now that I've quit my second job) I think about finishing my doctorate.

In election years I work harder than most people who are paid by campaigns do.

So please, just tell me how I can bring he Bush Regime torturers to justice and how I can prevent it from happening again? If you can do that, I'm in.

Because in truth, you make a lot of good points? Many of them, in fact, but you lost me at the end.

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Forgive me if I roll my eyes at your precious outrage about torture. [View all] True Blue Door Dec 2014 OP

K! & R!!! Preach it! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #1

So what should we do? Vattel Dec 2014 #2

As best I can figure, we have to plow under the soil we are growing Demit Dec 2014 #3

I think we should just repeat any metaphors the OP used in a mocking and snarky fashion n/t dogknob Dec 2014 #5

It saves the rolling of eyes at precious outrage. Demit Dec 2014 #15

this reminds me of my brother. he was always the first and the roguevalley Dec 2014 #49

I concur! whathehell Dec 2014 #179

Where can I send your internets? Aerows Dec 2014 #232

My opinion, which I'm not the type to pretend is some kind of divine revelation... True Blue Door Dec 2014 #10

I have a good idea, but it is off the politcal radar right now. Vattel Dec 2014 #16

We can't do that without control of Congress True Blue Door Dec 2014 #21

I love the way easychoice Dec 2014 #65

Obama could have easily done it in 2009. Vattel Dec 2014 #68

No, he couldn't - Presidents can't prosecute people. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #87

+1. It would have been a disaster... YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #88

Forgive me if I roll my eyes at your implication that Obama and Holder operate totally independently merrily Dec 2014 #113

(sigh) Here's the full picture. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #122

Yes, we're familiar with all the rationalizations. merrily Dec 2014 #130

And I'm familiar with all the rationalizations for why your inability to get what you want True Blue Door Dec 2014 #154

Wow, that was a huge load of crap to pull straight out of your ear! Feel better? merrily Dec 2014 #155

If I've misinterpreted your position, feel free to correct me. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #158

You have; I am and it's not worth the candle. Clearly, your OP was not about honest discourse. merrily Dec 2014 #159

Thank you for stating it plainly! Aerows Dec 2014 #138

You're most welcome. My posts a couple of years ago were nothing like they are now. merrily Dec 2014 #142

For what it's worth Aerows Dec 2014 #144

Thanks. No, DUers as a whole aren't stupid, but I sure was clueless. merrily Dec 2014 #145

"You people"? whathehell Dec 2014 #180

"People who pretend the President can order prosecutions" is a bit of a keyboardful. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #182

I'm sure you're brilliance will enable your search for alternatives. whathehell Dec 2014 #187

Damn, who said anything about prosecution? Vattel Dec 2014 #215

Really? You polled Congress at the time about support for such measures? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #216

Opposing such legislation at that time would have been politically crazy for a Democrat, Vattel Dec 2014 #222

So no one even tried to pass it, but you're certain it would have passed? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #223

I am not certain that it would have passed. Vattel Dec 2014 #271

" I'm not the type to pretend is some kind of divine revelation..." Aerows Dec 2014 #234

Ooo, emoji spam. You're a sharp one. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #236

Is that what they are calling emoticons these days? Aerows Dec 2014 #240

The torture victims appreciate your steadfast attention to seeking justice for them. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #258

That was an interesting segue. Aerows Dec 2014 #260

Yes, I quite randomly and bizarrely brought up the subject of the OP True Blue Door Dec 2014 #264

It's rather rich that you bring up Aerows Dec 2014 #276

The people have always sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #246

I have a suggestion! Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #248

Lobby. Repost. Repeat. Orsino Dec 2014 #317

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #4

Thread win. 99Forever Dec 2014 #6

Seeing everyone other than yourself as evil is not a recipe for human progress. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #7

Neither is seeing everyone other than yourself as stupid Fumesucker Dec 2014 #13

I do have that problem. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #24

Actually the Suprme Court deprived us of that presidency Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #33

well, actually, gore was beaten mercilessly from 1000 rove-controlled radio stations while certainot Dec 2014 #61

Agreed, but Gore also owes his defeat to his not standing up for the people who had their right to Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #292

they already had the mainstream blockheads calling him "sore loserman" certainot Dec 2014 #316

Republicans will continue being treasonous thieves no matter what we say to them. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #74

Actually criticism of Al Gore's campaign is not moot Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #291

yep VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #131

Thank you. whathehell Dec 2014 #181

Amen to that. n/t Aerows Dec 2014 #230

I remain unconvinced that George W. Bush, Dickhead Cheney, the neo-con leadership, Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #32

And I'm unconvinced that most Democrats in Washington fit any of those categories. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #166

What a bunch of crazy bullshit Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #290

Wholeheartedly agree with you and your first replier... MadDAsHell Dec 2014 #312

Things have gotten better in a lot of ways since Obama took office YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First Dec 2014 #8

Woah. Practicality and common sense around here??! Prepare for teh Swarm! Number23 Dec 2014 #9

Agreed, but I guess I just never had any illusions about how far it went. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #14

CIA Torture Tapes Hissyspit Dec 2014 #60

Only one quibble with that information: Calling it the "Obama DOJ." True Blue Door Dec 2014 #80

Let me roll my eyes at the "realist" who even bothers to type such fantasy after any observation TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #94

He had to appoint an Attorney General who would be confirmed by the Senate. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #114

Surely, you did not expect more than a bunch of trumped up rationalizations? merrily Dec 2014 #157

I'm trying to explain how to succeed. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #167

Don't let me interrupt your mansplaining. Please continue. You've been a huge hit so far. merrily Dec 2014 #169

And Bush's psychopathic tendencies were visible as early as the 2000 presidential debates hatrack Dec 2014 #102

Yes. My reaction to him then was visceral. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #116

That's exactly what I saw. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #124

you are confusing heaven05 Dec 2014 #323

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #45

Well said. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #51

The President did not release the report Caretha Dec 2014 #209

Didn't I address this already? Number23 Dec 2014 #274

Vote (D) and it will all go away. L0oniX Dec 2014 #11

All outrages are equal but some are more equal than others Fumesucker Dec 2014 #12

Props for the Rand Paul mention neverforget Dec 2014 #17

speak for yourself. PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #18

Pretty sure I just did. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #27

i saw a lot of "we" in your op. PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #31

Should I just say "you" and be perfectly accusatory? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #82

Its hard to be outraged now, as if it was a surprise bhikkhu Dec 2014 #19

Outrage is useful if it galvanizes practical action. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #30

Garner was strangled and suffocated. tblue37 Dec 2014 #79

Yes, you're right. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #83

So, where were you when we were in the streets protesting the WTO, the Iraq war, Zorra Dec 2014 #20

Calling us "commies" and hippie bashing is my guess. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #28

Everyone and everything you don't like is exactly the same, isn't it? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #63

I'M the one manufacturing disputes? ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #72

My final paragraph asked for practical ways to bring justice. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #126

You really don't know the difference between those protests, do you? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #59

So, why don't you tell us how you really feel about those black folks who are Zorra Dec 2014 #98

Street protests are perfectly tailored to the issue of police violence. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #133

You should have stopped at the end of the first paragraph, it was sensible. Zorra Dec 2014 #135

Your criticism is nebulous. Is that deliberate? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #151

YOU heaven05 Dec 2014 #320

Don't miss the point, MLK had a plan Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #299

I didn't miss any point. Zorra Dec 2014 #310

And you, my dear Zorra Aerows Dec 2014 #314

Why would you say " Study history, not Bill O'Reilly" Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #322

Not to be smug Aerows Dec 2014 #326

Bottom line is that you're pissed off that no one paid attention to your precious research. SMC22307 Dec 2014 #125

Given that I didn't mention it until someone else challenged me on it True Blue Door Dec 2014 #134

Your nastiness in this reply is totally uncalled for and unproductive. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #252

I think you have the roles in the exchange reversed. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #266

Excellent piece of writing and thinking. Bravo. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #22

In the run-up to Operation Shocking and Awful in the fall of 2002, I attended a KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #23

I respect your contributions and your thoughtful response. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #150

I believe some good points about our heaven05 Dec 2014 #319

Anyone who earned his or her stripes back in the days of Tricky Dick and Agnew has my KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #324

How about you take your preachy high horse and shove it where the sun don't shine? Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #25

May not mean much in the cosmic scheme of things, but you're one of my heroes, fwiw - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #36

BTW flvegan Dec 2014 #47

Thank you for summarizing my feelings in words I had trouble bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #69

Amazingly rare jury result!! Quantess Dec 2014 #156

You're proud to be associated with childish hypocrisy? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #170

Childish hypocrisy? No. Quantess Dec 2014 #173

It does tell me something. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #178

What? I don't mean to insult you, or people with mental illnesses, but... Quantess Dec 2014 #249

Please explain how I was hypocritical... Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #289

In summary, you think your personal feelings are the most important element True Blue Door Dec 2014 #152

Um no, try again. Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #294

Fine, I get it. So what have you actually accomplished? derby378 Dec 2014 #213

You know this might come as a big surprise to you, but... Downtown Hound Dec 2014 #297

Amen! And thank you for your selfless sacrifice for a greater good. RiverLover Dec 2014 #298

You've humbled me derby378 Dec 2014 #341

I was in the streets while Democratic leaders were cheer-leading for war. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #26

I hear ya, comrade! - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #38

The majority of Democratic leaders opposed the war. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #153

Yet, for at least 2 years, the Party has been trying to coronate this one. merrily Dec 2014 #192

When you say "the Party," who are you talking about? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #193

I never said they were trying to coronate her in 2008. Reading comprehension is your friend. merrily Dec 2014 #194

Ah, but everyone who is now, was then. And they failed. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #200

I disagree that everyone who is trying to coronate her now was trying so to do then. That is not my merrily Dec 2014 #201

The super-delegates came into line with the Party rank and file. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #218

Again, I don't agree with you about what happened in 2008. merrily Dec 2014 #241

I'm pretty sure Aerows Dec 2014 #277

Listen pal! I've done plenty of research in my mom's basement to disprove your "water is wet" Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #282

LOL! Aerows Dec 2014 #284

+1 That's why he's getting one liner replies instead of explanations, reasoning, links, etc. merrily Dec 2014 #306

Dem Leaders Opposed the war? How? fredamae Dec 2014 #207

I was just adding up the House and Senate Democratic votes listed on Wikipedia. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #211

What's your evidence for that assertion, that Dems feared for their physical safety? Demit Dec 2014 #226

I stressed the word "apparently." It appeared to me that they feared for their physical safety. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #233

Terrified tiptoeing? Practically gagging? Nonverbal behavior? Demit Dec 2014 #273

My outrage started the moment Reagan/Bush took the office. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #29

Thank. You. byronius Dec 2014 #34

You Know There Is Worse Not In The Report billhicks76 Dec 2014 #35

Undoubtedly there is worse. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #171

Believe It billhicks76 Dec 2014 #281

too funny stupidicus Dec 2014 #37

Righteous Rant. Bookmarked. n/t freshwest Dec 2014 #39

That's a lot of words MFrohike Dec 2014 #40

There are just as many words as I require, neither more nor less. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #174

It could be that MFrohike Dec 2014 #285

We voted for Obama and he ended torture as soon as he got into office. ucrdem Dec 2014 #41

Some here seem to think Obama calls the torturers 'patriots' LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #42

Yeah well... ucrdem Dec 2014 #44

Here's Obama's quotes on the subject for your review: choie Dec 2014 #70

He hasn't to my knowledge issued any pardons. ucrdem Dec 2014 #73

It's not possible Caretha Dec 2014 #212

Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #311

I'm pretty sure that not every CIA employee was a torturer LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #76

Jaysuz, even when the words come straight from his mouth... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #84

Jaysuz, some people should give up on pinning Obama with the Debil label. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #91

The words came straight from his mouth. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #95

I don't live in a Disneyland world, no. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #97

It's too late for me to attempt to decipher that word salad. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #99

Good night then. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #101

Eight hours probably won't help... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #107

zzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzzzz LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #115

You have bed bugs? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #118

You cannot read. Period. Obama's term "THOSE folks"---THOSE---refers SPECIFICALLY TO "THOSE FOLKS" WinkyDink Dec 2014 #185

Yep. 'Those' folks is being Very Specific! LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #253

can you say that again, sonny. but a bit louder this time? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #333

You're ignoring the rest of what you quoted though treestar Dec 2014 #147

Watching them spin that quote is something to behold. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #89

Now, now, just beg the OP's pardon, look ashamed and move along. merrily Dec 2014 #165

Okay your megamindship, then who was he calling patriots in his "we tortured some folks" speech? TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #196

The people who did work for the CIA and that may have been involved somehow LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #214

I see no indication that he was trying to defend and soothe the cafeteria staff at the CIA TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #339

I know him well enough, and everyone should by now, to know he LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #340

Oh yeah, how time do you spend together? How many deep conversations have you had? When did you last TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #345

+10000000000000 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #46

Jan. 23, 2009: "Obama orders CIA to stop torturing terror suspects" ucrdem Dec 2014 #53

Of course not steve2470 Dec 2014 #54

Dood!! Some people here think that Obama is Bush-lite! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #62

Worser than Boosh! LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #77

Not according to Amnesty International, he didn't. merrily Dec 2014 #161

DU rec for pissing off all the right people... SidDithers Dec 2014 #43

+++ LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #57

Too true, too true. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #81

"The right people" being those who consider torture a repugnant crime? whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #90

No, "The right people" being those who demonize Democrats at every level YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #96

Anyone who condones torture whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #105

Exactly treestar Dec 2014 #148

You should read your own post, if you want to see judgmental. Not to mention the OP. merrily Dec 2014 #168

Outraged when it happened, outraged now. Maedhros Dec 2014 #48

Not that you're implying equivalence or anything, right? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #242

Yeah, Maedros probably is Aerows Dec 2014 #279

I've been boycotting Wal-mart. zappaman Dec 2014 #50

Don't tell me how to feel, now, then or tomorrow. I am pissed off still! lonestarnot Dec 2014 #52

Feelings are a compass, not a map. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #245

My fucking compass. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #307

Who the hell do you think YOU are? choie Dec 2014 #55

Someone who storms on to DU, bashes the left, WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #100

+1 merrily Dec 2014 #106

"You shall know them by their cheer squad". Marr Dec 2014 #141

Isn't that the truth? Oilwellian Dec 2014 #217

I picture them in cubicles - TBF Dec 2014 #268

Thank you, Choie, whathehell Dec 2014 #202

I'm the guy telling it like it is. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #250

Telling it like it is?? choie Dec 2014 #283

i'll add that a lot of college students outraged by torture and guantanamo may want to check certainot Dec 2014 #56

What a pile of rationalizing crap. Hissyspit Dec 2014 #58

Second that! lonestarnot Dec 2014 #64

I third it... choie Dec 2014 #66

They don't care about torture. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #86

^this Marrah_G Dec 2014 #108

I'm not at all sure it's caring about Obama, either. merrily Dec 2014 #172

You�re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #103

Well, we knew the extent of the torture was bad, but I dare say, not this freakin' bad! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #67

Lots of Johnny come lately outrage... Historic NY Dec 2014 #71

Are you suggesting that DU did not understand... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #75

Hell, I was against the US being involved in torture before being against the US hedgehog Dec 2014 #78

I watched the initial reports of Daddy Bush unleashing Desert Storm on TV. stone space Dec 2014 #85

May be the most shit post I've read on DU whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #93

Agreed malletgirl02 Dec 2014 #104

Some old DU'er posted a "for us or against us" screed that was even more absurd. pa28 Dec 2014 #121

I'm surprised you call this a shit post. n/t Aerows Dec 2014 #313

I don't know if it's the worst, but it's up there. merrily Dec 2014 #163

Troll has been here for a year gonna tell us about what to be outraged about...lol!!! U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #109

Now, now, I'm sure s/he lurked for years! (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #111

Don't they all "lurk for years"? U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #120

Be sure to read post #59. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #123

Holy crap...whadda douche!!! U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #128

. Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #129

Here are some Trustafarians from Moral Mondays. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #286

Thanks, those pics give me some hope. U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #308

You're welcome. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #337

So what should my "plans" be? Nevernose Dec 2014 #110

yeah because you did so much more than the rest of us. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #112

We tortured some folks and shouldn't get all sanctimonious. Got it. pa28 Dec 2014 #117

Hey, I think I have apologists bingo! I just needed a phony irate kiss up kick down tirade and TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #119

Ugh, what are you blathering about? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #199

No, you kissed ass and rationalized for those with power and authority and spit blame at those who TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #338

curious how you feel about the way you worded your Op considering the responses... AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #127

I'm unclear on what your message is Aerows Dec 2014 #132

Yes, we've established this. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #198

"Corrupt rather than evil"? Aerows Dec 2014 #327

Somebody went Aerows Dec 2014 #136

I think we just have differing moral philosophies. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #197

This may very well be the most self-important tripe I've ever read here. Marr Dec 2014 #137

Phonics Aerows Dec 2014 #140

Agreed. I believe the bar has been reset (nt) CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #146

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #191

You're trying so hard. Marr Dec 2014 #220

Is that a meme? I don't recognize it. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #224

I'm pretty sure Aerows Dec 2014 #231

Do you often just waltz into other people's conversations and randomly insult people? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #235

This isn't a conversation, it's a post on a public message board. Marr Dec 2014 #243

Whether you "buy" the truth or not is your problem. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #256

"Fragile ego" Aerows Dec 2014 #325

I have to assume this person is 14 years old or something. Marr Dec 2014 #237

I know Aerows Dec 2014 #238

lol! Marr Dec 2014 #244

It was hilarious! Aerows Dec 2014 #251

That was the second funniest thread in the history of DU. QC Dec 2014 #269

Don't be coy Aerows Dec 2014 #328

Don't call me an apologist! n/t QC Dec 2014 #334

That one! Aerows Dec 2014 #335

This message was self-deleted by its author Puglover Dec 2014 #210

I can't believe this OP got recommendations. Quantess Dec 2014 #139

It's addressed to anyone who finds value in it. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #177

So, you are helping? Quantess Dec 2014 #183

What exactly do you think history is? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #208

That's deep, dude. (bong rip just now) Quantess Dec 2014 #255

Blaming the victims. Fail. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #143

Who are you talking about? Who are "the victims" I'm blaming? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #176

If someone commits crimes against us, we are the victims. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #225

As a checkbox on a police report, sure. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #227

Saying the victims of torture are at fault for torture, is blaming the victim. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #239

Which would be a meaningful statement if I'd ever done so. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #259

In my view, every American is the victim of CIA torture. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #263

Of course you didn't get any real answers treestar Dec 2014 #149

Do you know what the "challenge" is? Quantess Dec 2014 #160

LOL! Funniest post I've read this week--and I told another poster yesterday that merrily Dec 2014 #164

Let's not be judgmental. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #175

WTH is the OP to demand "substance"? WinkyDink Dec 2014 #188

To wit, we need moral fiber to have a mass-movement. :p True Blue Door Dec 2014 #195

ANSWERS? How about the OP offer HIS solutions? HUh? Where are THEY? Self-righteous blather. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #186

Well Done, True Blue Door.. Thank you! Cha Dec 2014 #162

Exactly what was so "well-done" about the OP's post? it's verbose, and he thinks it is cleverly WinkyDink Dec 2014 #189

Agreed.. whathehell Dec 2014 #190

Actually, that was one of the smartest posts I have seen here for a while. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #254

OFGS. Did you note the NON-reaction to MILLIONS marching against the 2003 Illegal Invasion? What WinkyDink Dec 2014 #184

If the poster was born last week, I might be willing to cut him some slack. bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #205

How about adopting the tactics of Gandhi, martin Luther King or Cindy Sheehan? Kaleva Dec 2014 #265

Agreed rock Dec 2014 #203

"Talk about your plans to obtain justice." RiverLover Dec 2014 #204

As I've said in other comments in the thread True Blue Door Dec 2014 #221

I love Al, so yeah it is intriguing. And I'm impressed you had something for us! RiverLover Dec 2014 #293

What an audacious rant! Feral Child Dec 2014 #206

Blah, blah, blah, you have no ideas. Thanks for playing. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #219

I guess we all can't be practically perfect in every way, like you. And Mary Poppins. Arugula Latte Dec 2014 #228

you really DO think that all of us to the left of Tojo WEREN'T outraged 2002-8, don't you? MisterP Dec 2014 #229

Little irritated by this post Mr. Mustard Dec 2014 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2014 #257

! QC Dec 2014 #262

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2014 #272

OMC Aerows Dec 2014 #278

Oh, look. A really *bad* torture apologism thread, woo me with science Dec 2014 #261

It's weird how many of them Aerows Dec 2014 #280

You have to admit, it's kind of cute and naive.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #321

I'd say it is hilarious Aerows Dec 2014 #329

I enjoyed reading the responses.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #331

I regret Aerows Dec 2014 #332

People don't want to risk their comfortable lifestyle. Kaleva Dec 2014 #267

i.e., Because Obama Enrique Dec 2014 #270

~~~True Blue Door, I gotta tell ya. You're skilz in replying respectfully to members needs work. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #275

Thanks for the moment of clarity Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #287

Oh. I'm pleased to see you wish to join Aerows Dec 2014 #330

forgive me if I roll my eyes at your precious thread. nt m-lekktor Dec 2014 #288

My anger in directed at those who not only defended torture but,.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #295

We had a plan and we executed it, pretty successfully we thought, in 2008. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #296

We need a better plan Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #303

So, if "the key to war crimes prosecution is to first politically isolate highest targets... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #300

The Democratic BASE is not a significant deterent Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #301

How pissed off are you, compared to me? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #302

This is not about emotions Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #304

You're right� it is not about emotions... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #305

I changed my mind: I love this thread! Quantess Dec 2014 #309

Comedy fuckin' GOLD Quantess Dec 2014 #336

true heaven05 Dec 2014 #315

Strange CullenBohannon Dec 2014 #318

"...they ignore you - because you are deliberately inconsequential." Peace Patriot Dec 2014 #342

This is a steaming pantload. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #343

Read the whole thread sometime, for some good laffs Quantess Dec 2014 #344