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In reply to the discussion: Why I agree with President Obama that the Bush Co cabal should not be prosecuted. [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)However, don't say that President Obama has done nothing.
For example. The Fifth Amendment prohibits depriving anyone of life or liberty without due process of law. Yet, President Obama has ordered the assassinations of people, including American Citizens, without any judicial review. If instead of a Republican winning in 2016, a more leftist won, wouldn't the urge to bring people to justice for that crime be enough? Wouldn't the Republicans do it just to make a point and get revenge?
However, that aside. Obviously you don't get it. Corruption is the usual catch all in the aforementioned second and third world nations. Lock the guy up, and his supporters, and then try them in showy trials with hand picked jurors.
Violations of Executive Privilege, categorize it as Corruption, and try the person. Misuse of the Recess Appointment. You do know that the court has ruled against President Obama on the Executive Privilege thing right and the Recess Appointments right? You had heard that I presume.
So there are three "Corruption" grounds for persecution right there. Do you think that the people will rush out into the streets to defend President Obama if he was charged with corruption? A small percentage would, certainly. But most would figure that everyone in Washington is Corrupt, and the trial will sort it out. Almost certainly there are other things that can be blown out of proportion and would enough people object to everyone being held accountable? Could we argue that the Bush prosecution was valid but the Obama prosecution was a witch hunt without sounding like hypocrites?
I don't want to see our nation fall into that trap. We have to begin by changing the way we do things. Under the Truman Administration, we enabled the CIA to start with the dirty tricks to further our interests. The idea was that we would use bad things to try and get good results. That is the foundation of overthrowing Governments in the past. The idea of doing bad things led to the installation of the Shah of Iran, and the various Haitian dictators through the latter half of the twentieth century.
Each President is briefed on these and told that this is the only way to get things done. So each one continues the trend started by the one before. Oh President Obama may end the Torture, but we still have people detained in black sites. He could have closed Guantanamo Bay easily. When one lawyer files a motion to have the detainee released, all Obama would have to do is file a response that the Government can not present a sufficient case to justify the detention, and it is the Government's position that the detainment may be illegal. The Judge rules that we have to let them go, Congress can do nothing but sputter and scream. The Judge ruled, and that is that. No one else can speak for the United States except the Attorney General before the Courts, so case is over, they're all released by court order. We haven't done that, because we don't want to be blamed for letting bad guys who were held illegally go. Doing bad things, because it serves a good purpose.
Why has the Obama Administration prevented the extradition of Robert Lady who was convicted, not accused, convicted of kidnapping and torture in an Italian Court? There is a Interpol warrant out for the man, why haven't we turned him over? Couldn't the Republicans or the notional Liberals in the next administration use that as proof that President Obama was protecting the guilty?
Before we can hold people accountable, we have to change that underlying rule that guides us. We have to say no more. We can't just decide that we're going to prosecute Bush but give Obama a pass, because if we do, the next administration will prosecute Obama, and the one after that will prosecute that one in revenge. Then we end up with a Dictator who refuses to hold elections because enemies hope to exploit the elections. National Security and all that.
I don't want that future here. Because then I couldn't support the Democratic Party. I couldn't support any party, because the election would not give the nation a chance to work towards goals, it would instead give a new group the authority to punish those who came before.
Think about it. First, level the playing field, then tell the truth about what happened, and then prevent it from ever happening again.