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Erose999

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45. The "peaceful change of power" is just for show. The real power is the MIC. These abuses continued

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:35 PM

Dec 2014

under Obama. GITMO is open to this day, and detainees who have been cleared of any wrongdoing for 10 years or more are still being physically, mentally, and sexually abused.

You're right that the doctrine of "plausible deniability" has to end, but I really think heads have to roll and careers will have to end in disgrace for that to happen. Even, potentially Obama/Pelosi/Feinstien/Holder, as these abuses continued under their watch.

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Why I agree with President Obama that the Bush Co cabal should not be prosecuted. [View all] Savannahmann Dec 2014 OP

Yes, The dilemma for us is to establish strongly that we are a moral nation and that we will JDPriestly Dec 2014 #1

WHAT??? F that noise! Roland99 Dec 2014 #2

If you're willing to risk it, fine with me. Savannahmann Dec 2014 #6

Oh, Obama's hands aren't clean, that's for sure Roland99 Dec 2014 #12

+1 Scuba Dec 2014 #14

OK, so how do you do that with the current "understandings"? Savannahmann Dec 2014 #17

The 'understanding' I had from Obama came from his insisting he is a devout Christian with hugely Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #20

And in my lifetime and my kids' lifetimes, that will never happen Roland99 Dec 2014 #41

That simple malaise Dec 2014 #22

Those that hold the gold. Roland99 Dec 2014 #40

I agree with you malaise Dec 2014 #42

The gravity of the crimes they committed LuvNewcastle Dec 2014 #3

+1 Scuba Dec 2014 #15

Thank you for putting it into words, LuvNewcastle. Octafish Dec 2014 #25

''the smooth transition of power from one, to the next Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #29

Thank you for stating it so clearly & succinctly. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #30

Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Dec 2014 #66

Is this hypocritical since other leaders get tried for crimes as well? mazzarro Dec 2014 #4

By your logic you would be against Nixon's impeachment too? n/t mazzarro Dec 2014 #5

Prosecution of government officials happens in accordance with laws in Western European democracies. redgreenandblue Dec 2014 #7

I disagree so vehemently that I think that refusal to prosecute should be considered co conspiracy TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #8

Sorry, I don't see the US as that "beacon of justice" anymore, and I think there should be...... dmosh42 Dec 2014 #10

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." 99Forever Dec 2014 #9

+1 Scuba Dec 2014 #13

+2 Vinca Dec 2014 #16

unrec PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #11

We've already tried your method. Our reward was the Bush Administration JHB Dec 2014 #18

Reprehensible and absurdly ammoral thinking. You are calling for 100% impunity of action by any Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #19

The UN wants some of the CIA and US government officials prosecuted over this. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #21

It's never gonna stop. When the next republican goat fucker gets in. He'll make Jr. look Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #23

Has any president finished office totally clean? FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #24

Seriously???? HERVEPA Dec 2014 #26

Bullshit. Hissyspit Dec 2014 #27

+ googolplex (n/t) derby378 Dec 2014 #37

This reminds me of all the talking heads during the 2000 contested election Hissyspit Dec 2014 #28

No tanks in the streets, just the NSA in every house, on every cell. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #31

Whats that about no tanks in the streets? Erose999 Dec 2014 #46

Duh. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #47

Armored personal carriers & armored trucks are not tanks. EX500rider Dec 2014 #60

I don't agree with you or the President (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #32

Maybe a little vengeance bouncing would wake up the average American who doesn't bother to vote, CrispyQ Dec 2014 #33

No. The 'original sin' here was the pardon of Nixon by Ford. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #34

Like Ferguson: No consequences => Blowback tblue Dec 2014 #35

"No more" - ah, how quaint derby378 Dec 2014 #36

You are forgetting or ignoring that the U.S. is a signatory to the KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #38

How do you propose to enforce this? Savannahmann Dec 2014 #48

Your 'this' is one hell of an unclear pronoun reference. To what exactly KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #49

You're wasting your breath LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #62

Very shallow. earthside Dec 2014 #39

We can't hold elected officials accountable for breaking the most egregious of laws, Maedhros Dec 2014 #43

The idea of accepting the dirty tricks and unethical behavior began in Italy Savannahmann Dec 2014 #51

Yes, Clinton should have been held accountable for bombing an aspirin factory. Maedhros Dec 2014 #59

Truth and reconciliation always the best route frazzled Dec 2014 #44

The "peaceful change of power" is just for show. The real power is the MIC. These abuses continued Erose999 Dec 2014 #45

Disagree in strongest possible terms. Law isn't a tool of revenge. It is a tool of justice. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #50

Ok, but here's a question Savannahmann Dec 2014 #52

Then cooperate with a UN war crime tribunal. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #57

That would be the ICC Savannahmann Dec 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #53

Ok, so how do we prosecute? Savannahmann Dec 2014 #56

Prosecuting torturers would be like prosecuting murderous cops. stone space Dec 2014 #54

As much as I hope george war bush rots in hell, I tend to agree. Hoyt Dec 2014 #55

I think the scoundrels should have been taken to task for their misdeeds tiredtoo Dec 2014 #61

I strongly disagree rock Dec 2014 #63

I was the first 'rec' on this OP. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #64

But has Obama actually made such a statement? ucrdem Dec 2014 #65