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jeff47

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30. No, you're not. You're reporting a study that was submitted.

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:47 PM

Dec 2014

And since it's been about a year and a half since it was submitted, it doesn't look like peer review is going well.

Fisher migh be a little bit hard to folow, but what she is saying is that after a baboon has been infected with the WC anti bodies, the B. pertussis bacteria is then found in the lining of the throat. In a human being, the throat would perhaps be irritated and perhaps sore, but most significantly this person can then infect others with whooping cough.

And for Fisher to be correct, the rate of whooping cough infection for children too young for the vaccine would have remained constant after the widespread use of the vaccine. They aren't protected by the vaccine, so herd immunity is the only thing that could have changed the rate of infection.

That didn't happen. In fact, the exact opposite happened - the rate of whooping cough infection among those too young for the vaccine plummeted, until the antivax community broke herd immunity.

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Whooping Cough Back With a Vengeance in California [View all] zappaman Dec 2014 OP

Thanks a lot anti-vax idiots! Arugula Latte Dec 2014 #1

yep - thanks a lot! AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #16

I heard a sound drop on the radio this week ripcord Dec 2014 #62

Absolute idiot. IMO people refusing to vaccinate their kids should be brought up on child neglect RKP5637 Dec 2014 #126

It is getting scary ripcord Dec 2014 #142

Anyone who will be near a newborn should have a TDaP vaccine frazzled Dec 2014 #2

We got ours since our friends just had a girl. zappaman Dec 2014 #5

Maybe informational posters HappyMe Dec 2014 #7

You gotta get 'em dip-tet boosters yearly or else they'll develop lockjaw and night vision. Liberal Veteran Dec 2014 #10

Yup zappaman Dec 2014 #59

It wasn't the woman's fault, but her doctor's. The official guidelines pnwmom Dec 2014 #52

The teacher that lives downstairs HappyMe Dec 2014 #3

You are blaming the Anti-vaxxers for the mom not knowing what the TDaP vaccine was? postulater Dec 2014 #4

There is a video report which goes into detail that the quotes don't. zappaman Dec 2014 #6

A 2009 study showed conclusively that the WC vaccine itself caused the exposure and the illness truedelphi Dec 2014 #8

Yet Krytan11c Dec 2014 #9

No that statement is simply not true - truedelphi Dec 2014 #11

Not sure I understand...are you saying WC is CAUSED by vaccinations for WC? zappaman Dec 2014 #13

I am reporting on what an accepted study proved: truedelphi Dec 2014 #17

What study? n/t zappaman Dec 2014 #18

Oops my cut and paste didn't work out with link truedelphi Dec 2014 #21

LOL! zappaman Dec 2014 #24

No, accepted is a valid state for papers jeff47 Dec 2014 #36

+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #127

Here are three citationss - truedelphi Dec 2014 #151

Not quite: I think what they are saying is you could become colonized but not get the disease. Liberal Veteran Dec 2014 #155

WHAT "accepted study?" Archae Dec 2014 #19

Apology for lack of cutting and pasting skills truedelphi Dec 2014 #22

No, you're not. You're reporting a study that was submitted. jeff47 Dec 2014 #30

Also, your "2009" study was submitted in 2013. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2014 #31

Wow...that's a shitty paper. jeff47 Dec 2014 #37

Yes. The paper actually says the old vaccine worked better than the new one Drahthaardogs Dec 2014 #106

Missionaries secure a safe water supply and wash their hands Warpy Dec 2014 #14

Yet do you ever remember hearing of ANYONE contracting the disease? KamaAina Dec 2014 #26

You re taking my post out of context - the entire reason for my truedelphi Dec 2014 #152

Oh, yes, that quack Mercola keeps pumping out that horse shit Warpy Dec 2014 #12

Kinda funny how anti-vax quackery intevitably has a funding stream that leads to quack supplements Major Nikon Dec 2014 #20

Meanwhile, Joe Mercola's huge estate Warpy Dec 2014 #23

Snake oil has always been a huge business Major Nikon Dec 2014 #25

He sells tanning beds as medical devices. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #27

That's frightening. HappyMe Dec 2014 #28

If you find Mercola's name on the citation I offered, let me know. truedelphi Dec 2014 #34

The bullshit meter is still pegged Major Nikon Dec 2014 #114

Same group of insane nutbags that encourage placenta eating Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #91

That was probably not a bad idea for our protein starved ancestors. Warpy Dec 2014 #121

+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #128

Warpy, Mercola does not have any involvement in studies - truedelphi Dec 2014 #150

Which 2009 study?... SidDithers Dec 2014 #15

For Christ sakes, get your vaccines! longship Dec 2014 #29

Wow. that is not at all what that study says, the pnas study... yawnmaster Dec 2014 #32

Truedelphi missed understanding that paper by a wide margin MattBaggins Dec 2014 #145

This is the biggest piece of horseshit I may have ever read on this site. alarimer Dec 2014 #38

So why is that baby dead? Hekate Dec 2014 #41

on edit Sheepshank Dec 2014 #54

What a crock of anti-science shit! longship Dec 2014 #55

That thread was thankfully locked. zappaman Dec 2014 #61

I liked you better when you were posting about chemtrails. LeftyMom Dec 2014 #74

The difference is chemtrail nutbaggery doesn't manage to kill anyone Major Nikon Dec 2014 #137

If you mean the one in your now locked thread, no, it didn't. It showed immunity does not happen uppityperson Dec 2014 #77

VACCINES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOOD NIGHT. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #89

Anti-Vax Horseshit. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #157

You need to thank Corp America for this mess-not the parents Stargazer99 Dec 2014 #33

You have a very impressive amount of wrong in one post. jeff47 Dec 2014 #39

Thimerosal made the vaccines cheaper by allowing for multi-use vials pnwmom Dec 2014 #44

OMG! A TYPO!!! jeff47 Dec 2014 #46

Women began to receive flu shots and DTaP during pregnancy, pnwmom Dec 2014 #50

Vaccines are safe and effective. longship Dec 2014 #57

Thimerosal is a form of mercury, which is a toxin. Period. pnwmom Dec 2014 #58

And the anti vaccine idiots proclaimed... longship Dec 2014 #60

My husband is a PhD chemist who doesn't want us to eat tuna, because of the risk pnwmom Dec 2014 #81

Ethyl vs methyl is a huge difference. Ask your PhD chemist husband. uppityperson Dec 2014 #82

Yes, of course they're different. But Thimerosal has been linked to inflammation pnwmom Dec 2014 #103

LOTS of things cause inflammation. Poorly fitting shoes, for instance. uppityperson Dec 2014 #104

Scientists are taking the inflammation theory seriously, and so is the NIH. pnwmom Dec 2014 #105

Well, good. longship Dec 2014 #102

I am a PhD toxicologist, and I eat the shit out of tuna. Drahthaardogs Dec 2014 #107

I'll bite. Why won't you eat organic produce? smirkymonkey Dec 2014 #125

Let me clarify Drahthaardogs Dec 2014 #154

You would not eat the potatoes or peas I grew? Why not? uppityperson Dec 2014 #134

And sodium is a flammable metal; chlorine a toxic gas NickB79 Dec 2014 #79

Oversimplifying a complex part of chemistry. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #99

You still don't fully understand Thiomersal MattBaggins Dec 2014 #146

I understand the difference between ethyl and methyl, if that's what you mean. pnwmom Dec 2014 #149

So my kid got autism, due to the vaccines I took? msanthrope Dec 2014 #64

They don't know what causes autism, but current research pnwmom Dec 2014 #65

I think you are waffling. Did the Thimerosal in the vaccines I took affect my child? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #66

I'm not waffling. Sorry, but science, especially when concerned with pnwmom Dec 2014 #68

Yes, I did. Since you brought up Thimerosal during pregnancy, why not give a scientific msanthrope Dec 2014 #70

You want a scientific explanation as to how mercury can be toxic? n/t pnwmom Dec 2014 #80

Yes....I really want a scientific, peer-reviewed explanation as to how thimerosal msanthrope Dec 2014 #83

Thimerosal contains mercury, so if you took a vaccine with Thimerosal, pnwmom Dec 2014 #84

Oh Jeebus....you really don't know the difference between msanthrope Dec 2014 #85

Yes, I do, and the FDA reference was specifically to ethyl mercury. Try again. pnwmom Dec 2014 #86

I truly encourage you to start your own OP on what you think your link msanthrope Dec 2014 #88

Thanks for indirectly acknowledging that the FDA reference is to Thimersol pnwmom Dec 2014 #90

Oh God, I had almost forgotten about that thread. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #96

What a great thread that turned out to be. zappaman Dec 2014 #98

I hope these yahoos don't drink beer, wine or spirits MattBaggins Dec 2014 #147

Perfect example....nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #148

Virtually every preservative known to man is toxic at a given exposure level Major Nikon Dec 2014 #93

But when the preservative isn't necessary -- and it isn't when single use vials pnwmom Dec 2014 #95

Preservation is necessary Major Nikon Dec 2014 #108

Thimerosal is NOT necessary in single-use vials of childhood vaccines pnwmom Dec 2014 #109

Which has zero to do with the thimersol risk myth you are trying to perpetuate Major Nikon Dec 2014 #112

It is a fact, not a myth, that before Thimerosal was removed pnwmom Dec 2014 #115

If that's true, then prove it Major Nikon Dec 2014 #116

Prove what? That the FDA recommended that Thimerosal be removed pnwmom Dec 2014 #117

I've already seen this and it doesn't support your assertion Major Nikon Dec 2014 #118

It came from both agencies. What do you think this means: pnwmom Dec 2014 #119

It means what the previous paragraph says that you convieniently left out Major Nikon Dec 2014 #123

You're ignoring the key sentence: pnwmom Dec 2014 #124

You are ignoring key facts and the very words you posted yourself Major Nikon Dec 2014 #132

You said this: "The FDA nor the CDC (as you originally claimed) didn't change pnwmom Dec 2014 #140

Nonsense Major Nikon Dec 2014 #143

I'm curious: How does one activate the immune system without an inflammatory response? Liberal Veteran Dec 2014 #144

"safe intake of methyl mercury" which is not ethylmercury. You continue to argue that too much of uppityperson Dec 2014 #135

Don't you think the FDA and the CDC know the difference? pnwmom Dec 2014 #139

Not in the US. jeff47 Dec 2014 #71

But other environmental factors have been greatly increasing during the same time period pnwmom Dec 2014 #87

Roundup is increasing, while thimerosal is decreasing, so autism is caused by uppityperson Dec 2014 #92

No, but a number of different triggers, alone or in combination, pnwmom Dec 2014 #94

I am amused by the jump from thimerosal to roundup. I am still waiting to hear back on ethyl vs meth uppityperson Dec 2014 #97

NIH funded researchers now believe that autism is caused by an interaction pnwmom Dec 2014 #141

It's thiomersal. You don't even know how to spell it, which isn't a good sign. LeftyMom Dec 2014 #75

How can you blame anti-vaxxers when the pregnant mom had never heard of the vaccine? pnwmom Dec 2014 #35

Herd immunity jeff47 Dec 2014 #40

A pregnant woman will know if she's been vaccinated or not. pnwmom Dec 2014 #42

A pregnant woman will be getting lots of shots jeff47 Dec 2014 #43

Pregnant women only get TWO shots in an uncomplicated pregnancy. pnwmom Dec 2014 #45

From the lots of shots my wife received. jeff47 Dec 2014 #48

I linked to the CDC recommendation for only two routine shots in pregnancies. pnwmom Dec 2014 #51

And if the doctor said "this is a vaccine for pertussis" jeff47 Dec 2014 #67

The larger reason is that the shots today are only effective for about 5 years, pnwmom Dec 2014 #69

No, actually that's a pretty small reason. jeff47 Dec 2014 #72

Cross-posted to California group KamaAina Dec 2014 #47

I do not speak to anti-vaxxers bluestateguy Dec 2014 #49

The main problem isn't anti-vaxxers, it's that the vaccine's effectiveness pnwmom Dec 2014 #53

Not this Granny HockeyMom Dec 2014 #56

You want your grandkids to get whooping cough? LeftyMom Dec 2014 #76

If they themselves are vaccinated, HockeyMom Dec 2014 #130

Are you staying away from the grandkids until they get the full series? LeftyMom Dec 2014 #156

My DAUGHTER agrees with it HockeyMom Dec 2014 #160

No, the main problem is the vaccination rate is down to the 70s jeff47 Dec 2014 #73

In the State of California, only 13% of kindergartners have exemptions, pnwmom Dec 2014 #78

Don't worry ...I'm sure the repukes will cut back on funding the CDC. L0oniX Dec 2014 #63

It's so depressing to see the quackery Union Scribe Dec 2014 #100

+100 from a nurse 840high Dec 2014 #110

I swear, some people are so fucking kneejerk NuclearDem Dec 2014 #101

Well on some level, Corporate American brought that on themselves laundry_queen Dec 2014 #111

Grrrrrrrrr. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #113

I invite all anti-vaxers to come visit me in India. I'll show them my neighborhood. Recursion Dec 2014 #120

ok I admit I may be simple. littlewolf Dec 2014 #122

Good question, I remember much the same. And, it was no BFD ... especially for Polio and RKP5637 Dec 2014 #129

In my opinion, parents have the right to not vaccinate XemaSab Dec 2014 #133

This nonsense needs to stop. Feral Child Dec 2014 #131

FYI & I predict that EVERYONE will draw the line somewhere eventually & acquire the label, even you. proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #136

Not spam, IMO, although top jpg only has been previously posted elsewhere -will delete upon request. proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #138

That really isn't a lot of shots. Feron Dec 2014 #153

Nice to meet you, but we'll just have to agree to disagree. proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #159

All the anti-vaxxers in this thread is sickening. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #158