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Showing Original Post only (View all)I'm sorry Obama, those who sodomized Iraqi boys in front of their mothers, are NOT patriots [View all]
We tortured some folks, Obama said to reporters during a news conference Friday. We did some things that were contrary to our values.
You know, it is important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had, Obama said. And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.
You know, it is important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had, Obama said. And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.
I'm trying real hard to put my sanctimony aside and embrace this new American standard of what a patriot is. I had no idea that includes child rapists, and those who cover up their crimes.
Seymour Hersh, shortly after the Abu Ghraib photos surfaced:
After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagons custody more horrific than anything made public so far. If these are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse, Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.
Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romeneskos media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:
Debating about it, ummm Some of the worst things that happened you dont know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib The women were passing messages out saying Please come and kill me, because of whats happened and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. Its going to come out.
http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/
Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romeneskos media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:
Debating about it, ummm Some of the worst things that happened you dont know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib The women were passing messages out saying Please come and kill me, because of whats happened and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. Its going to come out.
http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/

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I'm sorry Obama, those who sodomized Iraqi boys in front of their mothers, are NOT patriots [View all]
Oilwellian
Dec 2014
OP
Obama didn't call the molesters (if that allegation is true) patriots. He said SOME people involved
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#13
okaawhatever how are they separated? Like we tortured some folks? Some of them don't count?
Autumn
Dec 2014
#17
No when Obama was referring to the intelligence community as a whole, he called some of
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#18
Don't waste your time and breath. Obama called torturing rapists Patriots, and that is the end of
LawDeeDah
Dec 2014
#64
Your point is sad. You are trying to justify what the President said by claiming
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#92
I don't believe Obama was only referring to the torturers when he said "and a lot of those
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#94
What I believe is irrelevant, but not what Obama said is not and he did not say that torturers
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#145
I've never seen Hersh's reporting corroborated, although I have seen his allegations
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#21
It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense that the military would be involved with the
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#23
As to your last paragraph. Yes, I believe the CIA would not have been involved with legal, known
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#52
They were feeding those boys! Rectally doncha know!! It was good care taking....
riderinthestorm
Dec 2014
#75
Well,, the story doesn't use facts. How can I dispute something that hasn't been proven? The author
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#54
Right. We wouldn't want "torturing some folks" to sound bad. That would be ridiculous!
Demit
Dec 2014
#69
No, we wouldn't want someone to think that Obama was saying that child molesters were
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#70
Not sure if anything from Abu Ghraib horrors are in this report. They have not released any report
Sunlei
Dec 2014
#74
Really. Sick beyond words. Wake up Mr. President. Redeem yourself and the country.
polichick
Dec 2014
#8
Yes there is. There's corroborated reports of "rectal feeding". That's code for RAPE imho nt
riderinthestorm
Dec 2014
#76
Obama speaks for himself, he is the one who is ok with this, not the American people.
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#20
"ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report"
OrwellwasRight
Dec 2014
#50
Did evidence of this ever come out? I remember reading about it on DU at the time...
arcane1
Dec 2014
#29
He was referring specifically to the RDI and the torture and torturers it reveals...
Luminous Animal
Dec 2014
#40
Haters gonna hate , and the hate runs deep in many. ODS makes plain English say what you
pkdu
Dec 2014
#151
Not to mention the poster is using two separate events and trying to conflate them. They are
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#56
I knew yesterday that some here would have to find a way to make this about Obama
Number23
Dec 2014
#81
No kidding. I'm waiting on one of them to say Benghazi. Using his statements about torture and the
okaawhatever
Dec 2014
#85
It goes without saying anymore, "Everything is Obama's fault" for a lot of members posting at DU.
Major Hogwash
Dec 2014
#96
Deos the definition of 'patriot' involve some minimum standard of morality?
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2014
#41
Very true. What makes them such patriots is they were able to follow orders.
raouldukelives
Dec 2014
#45
Gee, according to several posters on DU, he never called torturers "real patriots" and
merrily
Dec 2014
#101
conservatism never really stank so much as it does within the Democratic Party
reddread
Dec 2014
#107
President Obama must pardon the whole crew of the BFEE torture brigade.
Central Scruitinizer
Dec 2014
#118
kick. Stayed at the very top of the Greatest Page for a long, long time.
woo me with science
Dec 2014
#125
Always assuming the worst of the President, explains your lack of comprehension...nt
BootinUp
Dec 2014
#126