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In reply to the discussion: Whooping Cough Back With a Vengeance in California [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)37. Wow...that's a shitty paper.
From their "introduction" section:
Because acellular pertussis vaccines replaced whole-cell vaccines in the 1990s, pertussis has reemerged at a startling rate in the United States despite nationwide vaccine coverage in excess of 95%
Bzzzzzzt.
You're putting your conclusion up front. All you are supposed to know going in is the infection rate is independent of the disease rate. The point of the study is to examine if the acellular vaccine is the problem.
If you state that it is the problem before you even get out of your introduction, you've demonstrated you're entering the study with bias towards the results you want.
Moving on to the next problem in their introduction:
Two common hypotheses for the resurgence have been proposed: i) current acellular pertussis vaccines (aP) vaccines are less effective than the whole-cell pertussis (wP) vaccines they replaced and ii) aP-induced immunity wanes more quickly than anticipated
Uh....or perhaps vaccination rates are not 100% uniform? That 95% national rate is an average. It does not equal a 95% rate everywhere in the nation. So that's a really lousy assumption going in.
Next problem: Their "methods" section doesn't exist. They kinda have some methods in the end of their introduction, and then they have some methods in their results. They don't go into sufficient detail in these pseudo-methods sections to indicate what they did. For example, how did they expose the baboons? How long were they in contact? The baboons were injected with human doses of the vaccine. How did they demonstrate that the human dose was the correct dose?
In the paragraph that starts "Acellular Vaccines Fail to Prevent Infection Following Natural Transmission." they have no control. They infected a baboon, and then put it in a cage with an unvaccinated baboon and two vaccinated baboons. But more importantly, why does Figure 1 massively contradict Figure 2? Figure 1 shows a massive difference between unvaccinated and aP vaccinated. Figure 2 does not. So why was WBC so low in Figure 1 despite the high bacterial load in figure 2?
Next, the transmission from aP but infected:
Because aP fails to prevent colonization we hypothesized that aP-vaccinated animals can transmit B. pertussis infection to contacts. To test this hypothesis, two aP-vaccinated animals were challenged with B. pertussis and placed in separate cages. After 24 h, a naïve animal was added to each cage, and all animals were followed for colonization.
They left them in the same fucking cage. They have no idea if the bacteria came from the vaccinated baboon or from the cage. They needed to sterilize the cage (and bathe the vaccinated baboon) before putting the two baboons together in order to show the bacteria came from the vaccinated baboon.
At this point, I got bored and stopped reading.
Btw, they do not say herd immunity doesn't exist. Their claim is the new DTaP vaccine doesn't work as well as the old DTaP vaccine.
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Absolute idiot. IMO people refusing to vaccinate their kids should be brought up on child neglect
RKP5637
Dec 2014
#126
You gotta get 'em dip-tet boosters yearly or else they'll develop lockjaw and night vision.
Liberal Veteran
Dec 2014
#10
You are blaming the Anti-vaxxers for the mom not knowing what the TDaP vaccine was?
postulater
Dec 2014
#4
A 2009 study showed conclusively that the WC vaccine itself caused the exposure and the illness
truedelphi
Dec 2014
#8
Not quite: I think what they are saying is you could become colonized but not get the disease.
Liberal Veteran
Dec 2014
#155
Yes. The paper actually says the old vaccine worked better than the new one
Drahthaardogs
Dec 2014
#106
Kinda funny how anti-vax quackery intevitably has a funding stream that leads to quack supplements
Major Nikon
Dec 2014
#20
If you mean the one in your now locked thread, no, it didn't. It showed immunity does not happen
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#77
My husband is a PhD chemist who doesn't want us to eat tuna, because of the risk
pnwmom
Dec 2014
#81
Yes, of course they're different. But Thimerosal has been linked to inflammation
pnwmom
Dec 2014
#103
I think you are waffling. Did the Thimerosal in the vaccines I took affect my child? nt
msanthrope
Dec 2014
#66
Yes, I did. Since you brought up Thimerosal during pregnancy, why not give a scientific
msanthrope
Dec 2014
#70
Yes....I really want a scientific, peer-reviewed explanation as to how thimerosal
msanthrope
Dec 2014
#83
Virtually every preservative known to man is toxic at a given exposure level
Major Nikon
Dec 2014
#93
Which has zero to do with the thimersol risk myth you are trying to perpetuate
Major Nikon
Dec 2014
#112
I'm curious: How does one activate the immune system without an inflammatory response?
Liberal Veteran
Dec 2014
#144
"safe intake of methyl mercury" which is not ethylmercury. You continue to argue that too much of
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#135
But other environmental factors have been greatly increasing during the same time period
pnwmom
Dec 2014
#87
Roundup is increasing, while thimerosal is decreasing, so autism is caused by
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#92
I am amused by the jump from thimerosal to roundup. I am still waiting to hear back on ethyl vs meth
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#97
It's thiomersal. You don't even know how to spell it, which isn't a good sign.
LeftyMom
Dec 2014
#75
How can you blame anti-vaxxers when the pregnant mom had never heard of the vaccine?
pnwmom
Dec 2014
#35
I invite all anti-vaxers to come visit me in India. I'll show them my neighborhood.
Recursion
Dec 2014
#120
Good question, I remember much the same. And, it was no BFD ... especially for Polio and
RKP5637
Dec 2014
#129
FYI & I predict that EVERYONE will draw the line somewhere eventually & acquire the label, even you.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2014
#136
Not spam, IMO, although top jpg only has been previously posted elsewhere -will delete upon request.
proverbialwisdom
Dec 2014
#138