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KingCharlemagne

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24. That's fair. I do remember that when the batch of Abu Ghrab photos

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:56 PM

Dec 2014

were released, it was but a tiny sampling of the total. And I seem to remember Sen. Lindsey Graham (who, at one point, had served on the JAG Corps) seeing the full batch of photos and evidence and emerging from the viewing ashen-faced. I never heard anything more about that, so it has gone down the memory hole.

Just so we're clear:

CIA operated so-called 'black' sites at various sites around the world, including Poland and (IIRC) Uzbekistan
U.S. military operated detention facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq.

U.S. military would not have been involved in the day-to-day operations of the CIA's black sites, but might have been involved in the rendition of some captives to those black sites. By the same token, the CIA would not have been involved in the day-to-day operations of the detention facilities in Afghanistan or Iraq but may have supplied certain captives to the military for detention there.

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I'm sorry Obama, those who sodomized Iraqi boys in front of their mothers, are NOT patriots [View all] Oilwellian Dec 2014 OP

du rec. xchrom Dec 2014 #1

They are sure as hell are not patriots, they are perverts. Autumn Dec 2014 #2

Obama didn't call the molesters (if that allegation is true) patriots. He said SOME people involved okaawhatever Dec 2014 #13

okaawhatever how are they separated? Like we tortured some folks? Some of them don't count? Autumn Dec 2014 #17

No when Obama was referring to the intelligence community as a whole, he called some of okaawhatever Dec 2014 #18

What was clear is he was talking about how we tortured some folks. Autumn Dec 2014 #25

I was wondering if the hardworking ones were the patriots mazzarro Dec 2014 #102

Don't waste your time and breath. Obama called torturing rapists Patriots, and that is the end of LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #64

Read then stop the misinformation brush Dec 2014 #152

Absolutely it does. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #154

If they knew about it and did or said nothing they are guilty. zeemike Dec 2014 #66

Your point is sad. You are trying to justify what the President said by claiming rhett o rick Dec 2014 #92

I don't believe Obama was only referring to the torturers when he said "and a lot of those okaawhatever Dec 2014 #94

Really? Well if that makes you feel better about it, go for it. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #95

What you "believe" is irrelevent. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #143

What I believe is irrelevant, but not what Obama said is not and he did not say that torturers okaawhatever Dec 2014 #145

LOL. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #148

Stop the misinformation brush Dec 2014 #153

+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #157

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #142

I've never seen Hersh's reporting corroborated, although I have seen his allegations KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #21

It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense that the military would be involved with the okaawhatever Dec 2014 #23

That's fair. I do remember that when the batch of Abu Ghrab photos KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #24

As to your last paragraph. Yes, I believe the CIA would not have been involved with legal, known okaawhatever Dec 2014 #52

Please everyone, lets remember one thing, Mbrow Dec 2014 #53

They were feeding those boys! Rectally doncha know!! It was good care taking.... riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #75

Where are the investigations and arrests? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #28

"I imagine" "I find it hard to believe" "I don't think" nichomachus Dec 2014 #44

Well,, the story doesn't use facts. How can I dispute something that hasn't been proven? The author okaawhatever Dec 2014 #54

Right. We wouldn't want "torturing some folks" to sound bad. That would be ridiculous! Demit Dec 2014 #69

No, we wouldn't want someone to think that Obama was saying that child molesters were okaawhatever Dec 2014 #70

I was just struck by your apparent belief in degrees of torture. Demit Dec 2014 #73

Well the facts are out there sunnystarr Dec 2014 #114

He's so deep in denial he is drowing in the river. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #144

+1 thank you lunasun Dec 2014 #160

Nothing ever happens with state dept approval helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #65

Not sure if anything from Abu Ghraib horrors are in this report. They have not released any report Sunlei Dec 2014 #74

I bet Obama could drown a puppy live on TV obxhead Dec 2014 #109

That puppy looked like it might have some pit bull in it! QC Dec 2014 #134

Keep on spinning, bro! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #141

NOT ALL TORTURERS ARE SODOMIZERS OF YOUNG BOYS Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #155

Do you notice all of the TV ads referring to the military lately? bulloney Dec 2014 #110

K&R for TRUTH! hifiguy Dec 2014 #3

And their bosses. Octafish Dec 2014 #4

We have to face some ugly truths about what we have become. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #5

Yes we do MissDeeds Dec 2014 #16

K & R MindPilot Dec 2014 #6

Hersh's reportage is devastating. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #7

how many of the people who committed these acts MindPilot Dec 2014 #10

... and work in our privatized prisons? AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #14

just last week ellennelle Dec 2014 #36

Many. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #91

Really. Sick beyond words. Wake up Mr. President. Redeem yourself and the country. polichick Dec 2014 #8

k-r the US does the Limbo nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #9

There is absolutely no proof that this occurred. Indydem Dec 2014 #11

Please do give us some examples... Oilwellian Dec 2014 #19

That's a very specific allegation - 'made up out of whole cloth'. Maedhros Dec 2014 #31

yeah, what the heck are you talking about?? ellennelle Dec 2014 #39

How much proof do you want? Indydem Dec 2014 #43

Hersh has more credibilty than you, I'm afraid. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #61

So Barack Obama is a liar? Indydem Dec 2014 #63

Obama would never lie helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #67

I'm no fan of the President. Maedhros Dec 2014 #68

You are naive and in denial of you think Obama ISN'T a liar. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #146

Making things up? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #123

Yes there is. There's corroborated reports of "rectal feeding". That's code for RAPE imho nt riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #76

Kick for pure disgust. Scuba Dec 2014 #12

They were "just following orders". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #15

Obama speaks for himself, he is the one who is ok with this, not the American people. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #20

Sanctimonious Sy strikes again! Doctor_J Dec 2014 #22

Is it possible that the president Control-Z Dec 2014 #26

No. He was talking about the torturers. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #37

"ban some of the extraordinary interrogation techniques that are the subject of that report" OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #50

Then he should have made that clear nichomachus Dec 2014 #46

exactly. STOP with all the excuses for deliberate political fog talk. bbgrunt Dec 2014 #79

k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #27

Did evidence of this ever come out? I remember reading about it on DU at the time... arcane1 Dec 2014 #29

Fer fuck's sake ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #30

Oh for fucks sake Oilwellian Dec 2014 #33

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #60

No matter what he says Andy823 Dec 2014 #34

You are engaging in what we in the Psych community call Denial. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #149

He was referring specifically to the RDI and the torture and torturers it reveals... Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #40

Jesus Hussein Christ. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #49

Wouldn't you rather spend time at your Democrats for Propaganda website? OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #100

Is she an apologist for torturers? Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #158

Depends on how you define "apologist." OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #159

That's such an amazing read Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #163

Isn't it, though? OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #164

And that whole thread is 5 years old? Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #165

"Sanctimonius" provides the context as to who is being referenced Babel_17 Dec 2014 #112

Well done! (nt) proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #129

Haters gonna hate , and the hate runs deep in many. ODS makes plain English say what you pkdu Dec 2014 #151

You guys speak your own language Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #156

Not to mention the poster is using two separate events and trying to conflate them. They are okaawhatever Dec 2014 #56

I knew yesterday that some here would have to find a way to make this about Obama Number23 Dec 2014 #81

No kidding. I'm waiting on one of them to say Benghazi. Using his statements about torture and the okaawhatever Dec 2014 #85

This is probably Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #87

It goes without saying anymore, "Everything is Obama's fault" for a lot of members posting at DU. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #96

Obama could cure cancer, and would get lambasted for.... steve2470 Dec 2014 #99

Fuck, you've gone to the Dark Side, too, Nance? Odin2005 Dec 2014 #147

Jimmy Carter: Not Me Dec 2014 #32

Like To See Hersch Chime In Again Now billhicks76 Dec 2014 #35

I would love to see him speak out again Oilwellian Dec 2014 #51

how many of these torturers now have jobs in US police departments I wonder nt msongs Dec 2014 #38

Deos the definition of 'patriot' involve some minimum standard of morality? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #41

Very true. What makes them such patriots is they were able to follow orders. raouldukelives Dec 2014 #45

Nationalism vs Morality Deny and Shred Dec 2014 #86

That's what I've been thinking... Blanks Dec 2014 #77

Sorry to say I have yet to find one person that thinks doc03 Dec 2014 #42

Open your eyes, "doc." blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #48

What is that supposed to mean? n/t doc03 Dec 2014 #57

seems you ought to find some new friends nt G_j Dec 2014 #62

I live in eastern Ohio with West Virginia and western PA doc03 Dec 2014 #71

I'm sorry G_j Dec 2014 #89

"do whatever it takes" to do what? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #117

Sociopaths are in control in DC. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #47

How incredibly evil do you have to be to even think up shit like this? Generic Other Dec 2014 #55

Thank you, I was remembering Seymour Hersch, among other sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #58

The sooner Thespian2 Dec 2014 #59

Proud to be the 100th REC. K*R nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #72

Damn!!! heaven05 Dec 2014 #78

+1,000 malaise Dec 2014 #80

No words. Just a heavy heart and tears. 840high Dec 2014 #82

+1 RiverLover Dec 2014 #83

+2 rhett o rick Dec 2014 #93

All I know is that whenever I get scared nilesobek Dec 2014 #84

These people were not "folks" lbrtbell Dec 2014 #88

142nd rec, woo me with science Dec 2014 #90

I HATE the word "Folks" defacto7 Dec 2014 #97

To catch a predator Mkap Dec 2014 #98

Gee, according to several posters on DU, he never called torturers "real patriots" and merrily Dec 2014 #101

conservatism never really stank so much as it does within the Democratic Party reddread Dec 2014 #107

He was only referring to the nice torturers, not the meanies. n/t QC Dec 2014 #108

"A lot of these folks" does not mean "all of these folks" treestar Dec 2014 #103

but it does mean MANY and not a FEW BubbaFett Dec 2014 #111

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #104

167 recs, woo me with science Dec 2014 #105

Your Quote is misleadingly cut berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #106

Dang, this article is 10 years old. SpankMe Dec 2014 #113

And there is still no justice for the victims Oilwellian Dec 2014 #122

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #115

that's not patriotism accept to imbeciles like toby keith samsingh Dec 2014 #116

President Obama must pardon the whole crew of the BFEE torture brigade. Central Scruitinizer Dec 2014 #118

Kick Autumn Dec 2014 #119

And again. woo me with science Dec 2014 #120

There are many OPs that need to be kicked, this is one. Autumn Dec 2014 #121

You said it. woo me with science Dec 2014 #131

He's not referring to them. 7962 Dec 2014 #124

kick. Stayed at the very top of the Greatest Page for a long, long time. woo me with science Dec 2014 #125

Always assuming the worst of the President, explains your lack of comprehension...nt BootinUp Dec 2014 #126

Well...it is hard to comprehend our president Oilwellian Dec 2014 #133

214 recs woo me with science Dec 2014 #127

Another thread infested with torture apologists. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #128

Because Obama!!!!!!111 bigwillq Dec 2014 #132

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #130

Thank you for kicking this thread, Woo Oilwellian Dec 2014 #136

IMO it's one of the most important threads on DU. woo me with science Dec 2014 #140

The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack Autumn Dec 2014 #135

This story has had me seething for ten years Oilwellian Dec 2014 #137

Ten years and the outrage is focused on what Obama said and the way Autumn Dec 2014 #138

That comment from Obama--I can see several different interpretations JonLP24 Dec 2014 #139

Rec n/t benz380 Dec 2014 #150

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #161

ditto benz380 Dec 2014 #162

Once again. JEB Dec 2014 #166

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #167