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Algernon Moncrieff

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19. You're right, they don't know what to do, and they can't see it from their house

Reply to The2ndWheel (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:16 AM

Dec 2014

They don't know the prisoners. They don't personally know anyone who was hauled off and harmed.

The irony is that most Americans love America. They love the flag; they love the Pledge; they love soldiers and veterans and bald eagles. And, they say they love freedom, although we all seem to have our favorite amendments and our own interpretation of what those amendments mean.

The eighth amendment is not some post-FDR hippie/liberal vision. It's a part of the bill of rights, and it's brought to us by the original founding fathers as a result of the excesses of the British. It reads:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

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Thinking of Americans, generally - how do you think most of them feel about the torture report? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 OP

I think if Obama had been president when this started the majority would be angry. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #1

Maybe the next Congress will put out a report about torture before and after Bush. merrily Dec 2014 #26

Americans are for the most part good people. Sweeney Dec 2014 #2

Sweeney, that's a helluva post. Thank you for that. Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #3

Thank you for that back atcha Sweeney Dec 2014 #4

You really should turn this into an OP of its own. You link Michael Brown domestically KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #12

Sincerity Sweeney Dec 2014 #15

This post should be required reading... Whiskeytide Dec 2014 #14

No no no. Sweeney Dec 2014 #17

Generally? RobertEarl Dec 2014 #5

Plenty of people complained and demonstrated about nukes for decades. merrily Dec 2014 #27

I can give you the honest answer, but I don't think people will like it much. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #6

I don't know that it's a majority viewpoint, but it's a sizable group Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #7

I think you're right. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #18

I think you have to consider the generation that was aware of the torture during the okaawhatever Dec 2014 #24

The lesser of the evil tortures? merrily Dec 2014 #28

It is, of course, some of those who had direct experience with that, who put forth the most cogent Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #30

While probably most are focused elsewhere el_bryanto Dec 2014 #8

Americans by and large simply don't care. alarimer Dec 2014 #9

And there is a deep hatred of Middle Eastern Muslims Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #21

If it was just the Americans voters only, I would pick B Calm Dec 2014 #10

I thought the majority of Americans were more concerened with Kim & Kanye Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #20

That was last week. Huge snakes swallowing people has them terrified B Calm Dec 2014 #22

Yup. 99Forever Dec 2014 #11

Torture? What torture? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #13

I don't think anyone knows what to do with the information The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #16

You're right, they don't know what to do, and they can't see it from their house Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #19

A majority believe it is "often" or "sometimes" justifiable, according to Nate Silver Recursion Dec 2014 #23

Americans have apparently grown more supportive of torture over the last decade. stranger81 Dec 2014 #25

Yup. They timed the release of the report as well as they possibly could. merrily Dec 2014 #29