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Bluenorthwest

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90. I didn't vote for Hillary when I was asked to last time, don't support her. 08 Primary I backed

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:41 AM

Dec 2014

Dennis, he was not on my ballot by the time of our Primary so I voted for Obama. Against Hillary. Try to understand that.
I do not care for people who support a long term Republican voter criticizing another who never voted for Republicans for being a Republican. I do not give a shit who the two people are. It is a dishonest tactic.
In terms of Warren, I have been greatly disappointed that she has not bothered to seriously address her past in an anti gay, anti choice, Party of racist trickle down economic advocates, a right wing Party that made ignorant choices out of bigotry which killed many people I love. So sorry if I find that to be worth mention.
People who have changed have no problem speaking of their past wrongs and their transformation to a better way. Warren should do exactly that. Her story could tell a great narrative which pointedly rejects all of the specific right wing policies she previously supported. The fact that she does not care to give such a speech is not a good sign, she is fully capable of speaking her mind clearly when she wants to. I wish that she would.

If she had responded when asked the first few times, I might very well be a fierce supporter of hers. I love her turn of phrase at times, her ability to hold people to account for their actions and policies.
But I can't vote for a Reagan/Bush and Nixon voter unless they strongly repudiate the policies of that Party against which thousands of people like me protested as thousands more died.

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So... It's OK If Hillary Clinton Was A Goldwater Girl, Yet Not OK For Warren To Have Been A RePuke ? [View all] WillyT Dec 2014 OP

I think the difference is one of time... brooklynite Dec 2014 #1

So What Do You Think The Expiration Date Should Be ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #2

Obviously none. Democratic supporters welcomed yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #9

Each person will decide for themselves treestar Dec 2014 #83

Are you forgetting Dick Nixon? Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #134

He was relatively moderate treestar Dec 2014 #136

He was still a turdhead! Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #137

Well that's true. treestar Dec 2014 #155

The Neocons and the republican Supreme Court Just-Asses... Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #157

Nixon was relatively moderate? You should read up on Nixon because that is wrong. Rex Dec 2014 #140

He started the EPA treestar Dec 2014 #156

Who gives a crap? Adrahil Dec 2014 #65

Always consider the source when this kind of... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #3

Maybe It's Just Me... But I Find The Argument Ironic... WillyT Dec 2014 #4

Yeah, people can change... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #48

When was Hilary a registered republican? You know the answer, she did not vote until 1968, Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #86

Hillary was in highschool, her parents were Republicans. That's not my fave rave, but Warren fans Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #5

So... It's A Timing/Evolutioning Thingy With You... Check. WillyT Dec 2014 #7

Voting age was 21, Hillary was 17. You failed to address anything I said, which was clear and to the Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #12

And Sadly... I Will Continue To Fail To See The Difference... WillyT Dec 2014 #13

That's because you are not respectful enough to pay attention to what I am telling you. Try again. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #18

Your're Correct... WillyT Dec 2014 #19

No, because I'm not talking about the potential candidates, I'm talking about the double standard Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #23

Did You Bother To Check Out Post #7 ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #24

You are being intentionally obtuse. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #28

Paragraph Breaks Would Help... WillyT Dec 2014 #30

So, can you get Lizzie elected? leftofcool Dec 2014 #59

You ignore the substance and stoop to criticize the post layout? MineralMan Dec 2014 #91

The disrespect is I think, an important symptom of the 'social issues don't matter' mindset. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #95

I think you have it. MineralMan Dec 2014 #117

And usually the people who don't care for social issues Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #124

More dishonesty and evasion. Show me where I supported Hillary? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #98

people like manny and willy obviously aren't in the business of trying to garner support for their dionysus Dec 2014 #130

Did you bother to watch This Week when Warren was on? MADem Dec 2014 #152

I really wish I could say that this thread and the folks supporting it are a shock to me Number23 Dec 2014 #162

Maybe because no one was making the comparison until Hillary supporters sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #37

well, that is some very wishful thinking, ignoring the majority of a candidate's adult life, LOL! bettyellen Dec 2014 #41

Just so you know, I have always challenged any and all Reagan supporters to explain themselves Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #79

exactly this, I am giving the side eye an anyone who was a heartless republican those years bettyellen Dec 2014 #109

Hillary was a kid, Warren was in her mid forties. Beacool Dec 2014 #143

I'm actually with you on this. Marr Dec 2014 #113

Nailed it! Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #120

Hilary was in highschool/ early college. Warren? An adult, by any standard. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #6

True but Warren was only 50 years old when she became yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #10

Goldwater was a moderate democrat by todays standards. adirondacker Dec 2014 #15

And she still supports Republican policies. She's not in high school anymore. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #38

This. LeftOfWest Dec 2014 #127

Let me add that the application of double standards is a Republican trait which I reject. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8

Did you tell that to Hillary supporters who initiated this comparison? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39

See, I don't give a shit about Hillary OR Warren. Get it? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #100

I will allow for anyone to evolve and change their thinking on any issue as long as Marie Marie Dec 2014 #11

THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #16

+1 Marr Dec 2014 #114

"Clinton was" ? adirondacker Dec 2014 #14

Doesn't Goldwater represent the most reactionary militant right wing values? Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #17

But Hillary was too young to vote for Goldwater, while Elizabeth Warren voted for George Bush. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #20

Yes, and a pro-Goldwater post got 157 recs here: joshcryer Dec 2014 #64

I grew up in GOP home, voted Reagan, Reagan, GHWB, Perot. Then came a political conversion. TheBlackAdder Dec 2014 #21

Warren was was a Republican when Reagan was ignoring the AIDS crisis... SidDithers Dec 2014 #22

You are correct on all of that, her Republican Party was also stridenly anti choice. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #25

So... Let Me Get This Straight... Being A Republican, Because Your Parents Were Republican... WillyT Dec 2014 #32

The real question is, do either or both of them still support Republican policies? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #40

I Know... Sigh... WillyT Dec 2014 #42

Let me explain this 'Straight' style. When I was the age that Hillary was when she was a 'Goldwater Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #111

Which killed more people? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #52

Now you're minimizing the AIDS crisis, Manny?... SidDithers Dec 2014 #56

Disgusting attempt at deflection MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #58

It's a fucking accurate representation... SidDithers Dec 2014 #60

Warren started voting Democratic in 1995 MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #71

How many Democrats opposed the shocking and awe'ing of Baghdad under sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #131

he called you out on a truth, you projecting, self important douchebag. NT dionysus Dec 2014 #139

I knew I liked you for more than your bankies!!! Beacool Dec 2014 #147

and where have you been young lady? carousing i assume? dionysus Dec 2014 #149

oh wait.. i just found something in my sleeve... dionysus Dec 2014 #151

Thank you, my friend!!! Beacool Dec 2014 #159

!!! Number23 Dec 2014 #160

The only disgusting thing is YOUR vile comparison. Beacool Dec 2014 #146

AIDS. Objectively. joshcryer Dec 2014 #61

That wasn't the question I asked, of course MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #66

You asked what killed more people. joshcryer Dec 2014 #67

You're obfuscating MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #70

Yes, Bush was invading anyway. joshcryer Dec 2014 #74

A million and a half people died of AIDS last year. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #80

People make mistakes Manny. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #85

39 million deaths since 1981, 1.5 million in 2013. 636,000 Americans since 81 Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #76

Do you actually not have any idea how many people have MineralMan Dec 2014 #77

And that is exactly why it became important to make sure this gets talked about. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #81

Yes. Making light of Reagan's inaction and not recognizing MineralMan Dec 2014 #84

We were both Californians when he was Governor. My elementary school organized against him Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #104

Reagan consistently trashed important social services MineralMan Dec 2014 #118

You're intentionally misreading my post MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #89

I'm misreading nothing. MineralMan Dec 2014 #92

Well Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #99

Indeed. MineralMan Dec 2014 #119

no he didn't. and it would be nice if *you* had some sense of shame. unfortunately, you don't. dionysus Dec 2014 #141

you sure stuck your foot in your mouth that time. you're getting careless and letting yourself slip. dionysus Dec 2014 #138

"Getting" careless? We crossed that bridge a loooong time ago. Number23 Dec 2014 #161

Actually, AIDS killed more people. Beacool Dec 2014 #145

Warren is a great senator and it should not be held against her imo. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #26

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #33

Depends on How old they were JI7 Dec 2014 #27

They are both against the grain madville Dec 2014 #29

That's true of Warren but Hillary was never a Republican, the OP is talking about when she was Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #31

Or.. WillyT Dec 2014 #34

Hillary supports neocon foreign policies. Talk to women and gays in the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #43

I didn't vote for Hillary when I was asked to last time, don't support her. 08 Primary I backed Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #90

I get your point, and don't disagree with it. I was sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #129

because Hillary promotes many GOP policies while Warren doesn't? w-what? MisterP Dec 2014 #35

LOL !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #36

Whoever said that? There's been a lot of sniping at HRC for her high school/college affiliations.... Hekate Dec 2014 #44

I think the chronology was the other way around. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #121

I've always concluded that people can change and grow, and not just the young. Hekate Dec 2014 #123

another day, another Manny post stirring shit on DU... dionysus Dec 2014 #45

Oh Yes... Another Day, Another It Don't Mattter Post... WillyT Dec 2014 #46

sorry willy, i mistook you for manny. FWIW i don't think you post OPs merely to seek attention dionysus Dec 2014 #115

Very nice of you, dissing a DUer like that. RiverLover Dec 2014 #57

I support Bernie Sanders of the current batch of potentials, when I ask about Warren her supporters Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #107

Because Hillary is a goddess.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #47

As opposed to those who adore Warren? Beacool Dec 2014 #148

Hell, I supported Kucinich.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #150

Really sad to see that kind of negativity transferred to DU.... Rowdyboy Dec 2014 #158

Or vice versa? Neither matters. n/t pampango Dec 2014 #49

Irrelevant for both. The only important question is-- eridani Dec 2014 #50

Lame comparison...Hillary managed the McGovern campagn in Texas in 1972 BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #51

Hell, in 1972 Warren would have been voting for Richard Nixon, that's what Republicans did and Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #94

I was talking comparable ages BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #97

Both are OK in my book, but as topic of conversation... wyldwolf Dec 2014 #53

IMO, all that matters at this point is policy justiceischeap Dec 2014 #54

I don't want to see Hillary get the nom. and I think Warren is great RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #55

You have it exactly backwards. baldguy Dec 2014 #62

Hillary Clinton was never a voting Republican. joshcryer Dec 2014 #63

The better question is why can't Dems find persons who were malaise Dec 2014 #68

Exactly. I sure as hell can do that. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #73

Do you have any evidence for your repeated attacks on Warren? Jim Lane Dec 2014 #125

Why is it necessary that our candidate have demonstrable purity from birth? Jim Lane Dec 2014 #122

IDK. I'm a 65-year-old broad, and going back to JFK, I've been a Democrat. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #69

I have seen it both ways on du. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #72

+1 ~nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #75

Because the Vichy-Dems/Corporate-Dems Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #78

If HRC is the nominee, the deflation of enthusiasm amongst independents closeupready Dec 2014 #112

As I explain when people Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #116

The 60s vs the 80s treestar Dec 2014 #82

Because Hillary was a teenager at the time. Warren was an adult. MineralMan Dec 2014 #87

I guess the question will be to Warren "WTH did it take you so long to get smart?" Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #88

there are many massive differences dsc Dec 2014 #93

Wrong. She wasn't Republican, she was Independent & voted both ways depending on issues. RiverLover Dec 2014 #96

If you voted for Reagan and Bush, as she did dsc Dec 2014 #101

19 years now as a true progressive democrat. Why aren't you proud? RiverLover Dec 2014 #105

that answer tells me it is all about economics for her dsc Dec 2014 #106

No, she says "I was a Republican, because I thought that those were the people who best supported Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #108

Elizabeth Warren was a registered Republican in PA through the mid-nineties. MADem Dec 2014 #110

I hear the reverse ... its Ok for Warren, BAD BAD BAD for Hillary. JoePhilly Dec 2014 #102

The hypocrisy of the Left. Beacool Dec 2014 #144

I see someone else posted the idea of age being a factor... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #103

Probably sexism right? Exultant Democracy Dec 2014 #126

I think a candidate's past is less important that what policies they embrace RIGHT NOW. Maedhros Dec 2014 #128

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #132

I like Warren, but before I can support her campaign for the Presidency Maedhros Dec 2014 #135

I don't have an issue with what either one was in the past. bigwillq Dec 2014 #133

Simple........ Beacool Dec 2014 #142

I didn't know that about Warren .... I still like her n/t kevinmc Dec 2014 #153

Hillary was a high school student. Elizabeth was decades older. n/t pnwmom Dec 2014 #154