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WilliamPitt

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Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:09 PM Dec 2014

The Rank, Reeking Horror of Torturing Some Folks [View all]

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The Rank, Reeking Horror of Torturing Some Folks
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Thursday 11 December 2014

Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.

- John Lennon


"Let me put it plainly: these people do not belong on my television. They belong in prison, for the crimes of theft, torture and murder. They shattered the lives of thousands of American soldiers and millions of Iraqi civilians. They savaged the American economy paying for it all, and several of them got very rich in the process. They should be in orange jumpsuits and fetters, picking mealworms out of their gruel while shuttered in very small, very grim, very inescapable metal rooms."

I wrote that back in June of this year because I thought I knew the whole deal. I saw all the pictures from Abu Ghraib, knew about the so-called "Black Sites" where innocent prisoners were sent to be torn apart, read all the books, and listened to the words of those who endured these seven hells and lived. Quite a crowd of people, including several prisoners who cannot be accounted for to this day, did not survive to tell their tale.

I thought I knew, I really did, and then the Senate dropped their Torture Report, and we all got to hear about a guy whose dinner of hummus, pasta and nuts was pureed and then blasted up his anus in an act of violence and humiliation that isn't even the worst of what was reported. They tied prisoners to beds and made them stand on broken legs for dozens of hours. A description of one photograph of one waterboard - there were others, of course - called it "well worn." Several of the people tasked to deliver these horrors are described as having "issues" that should have disqualified them from government service altogether, including "histories of violence and mistreatment of others."

In my name. In your name. In our name.

(snip)

Back in August, President Obama - who saw this report and all of its grisly details coming a mile away - let drop the least anonymous penny in history: "We tortured some folks." Later in his remarks, the president said, "And, you know, it's important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots, but having said all that, we did some things that were wrong."

Those who tortured are patriots. Those who call it wrong are sanctimonious. Got it?

That, right there, is why this whole nightmare came to be. Not because of President Obama, but because of the soft-pedal smooshy attitude he so clearly expressed. He knew what was going to be in this report when he made those remarks - of course he did - but still chose to butter it up with "patriots" and "9/11 you guys" and "Oops." This level of institutionalized cowardice and knee-jerk ass-covering is exactly and precisely what allows sociopaths in positions of unimaginable power to run wild and bathe in the tears, blood and viscera of their victims.

In my name. In your name. In our names.

(snip)

As far as the perpetrators go, the Bush-era chieftains, the half-assed lords of war who delivered this disgrace to us all, I comfort myself with an old anecdote:

Once upon a time, there was a man who went to the news stand every morning, bought a newspaper, snarled at the front page, and then threw the paper away in anger. He did this every day, day after day. After a time, the newsboy asked the man, "What is it you're looking for, sir?"

"The obituaries," said the man.

"But sir," said the newsboy, "the obituaries are on page 30."

"When the bastard I'm looking for dies," said the man, "it'll be on the front page."


Thin gruel, to be sure, but time always wins in the end. There will be justice done, on this side or the other.

The whole thing: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/27939-the-rank-reeking-horror-of-torturing-some-folks
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None of the revelations of late surprise me. I am not going to hop on the outrage train today. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #1
Hillary *means* more torture, renditions, warmongering, TPP, surveillance state, police state, woo me with science Dec 2014 #9
You should make these links part of your signature hueymahl Dec 2014 #21
I'm reading your post and I Duval Dec 2014 #60
I give a rat's ass about what you say, too. woo me with science Dec 2014 #135
+25 nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #103
Oh, another post from Woo ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #108
He praised Mark Udall, a third wayer, yesterday. joshcryer Dec 2014 #116
Good Lord Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #129
Yep. joshcryer Dec 2014 #130
Pretty much says it all. nruthie Dec 2014 #2
Dick Cheney belongs in Chains warrant46 Dec 2014 #83
So did Reagan and Bush Sr but we all have seen how that turned out with cstanleytech Dec 2014 #121
He will probably die of old age still vacationing & advising with koch and the republican gang. Sunlei Dec 2014 #137
no sale for a ticket on the outrage train on this. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #3
I'm not holding my breath for justice IDemo Dec 2014 #4
By that measure, 9/11 was perpetrated by "some folks" who were under a lot of pressure. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #5
Kick kick kick! truebluegreen Dec 2014 #6
Charlie Pierce had this to say on the matter when news of the spying by CIA on the KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #94
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2014 #7
RAPING CHILDREN in our name also...... heaven05 Dec 2014 #8
Kicked and recommended a massive amount! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #10
some folks are currently ignoring the fact that we are a nation of laws xiamiam Dec 2014 #11
oddly, he keeps telling us that we are a nation of laws. grasswire Dec 2014 #14
This is typical rhetoric. We are a nation of laws we just don't apply them to the 1% class. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #45
+1 I'm just guessing but I think the President made the no snappyturtle Dec 2014 #104
Every state that turns authoritarian builds a propaganda machine. nt woo me with science Dec 2014 #123
Thank you, Will. woo me with science Dec 2014 #12
God is in the mix, I'm a Christian, we tortured some folks, don't be sanctimonious- Obama poetics Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #13
I know. People loving each other and "God is in the mix". Jamastiene Dec 2014 #87
proud to rec this, Will grasswire Dec 2014 #15
When the two main culprits Bush and Cheney start pointing fingers simultaneously denying a crime.... gordianot Dec 2014 #16
Thanks Will... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #17
He knew, Will. DeSwiss Dec 2014 #18
"There will be justice done, on this side or the other." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #19
Which was the point of this particular exercise. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #22
No. I'm just looking forward to this... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #31
If only n/t Duval Dec 2014 #61
60 recs and counting... woo me with science Dec 2014 #20
67 rec and counting woo Autumn Dec 2014 #24
Bump this up because it fucking reeks. Still Autumn Dec 2014 #23
K & R Liberal_Dog Dec 2014 #25
Great piece, Will Oilwellian Dec 2014 #26
Nice editing job ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #27
"Later in his remarks" WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #28
Yes, reading IS fundamental, Will. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #32
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #36
I noticed that Andy823 Dec 2014 #38
The difference you are pointing out is insignificant to the issue. Maybe Will exaggerated rhett o rick Dec 2014 #48
Absolutely. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #92
It stinks either way. nilesobek Dec 2014 #71
He said ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #78
Thanks for the reply. I see your point nilesobek Dec 2014 #80
If a Repulican said what he did you would never excuse it Marrah_G Dec 2014 #100
^This^ LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #143
WTF?? malaise Dec 2014 #153
Sorry, Nance Thespian2 Dec 2014 #126
oh no - not again. 840high Dec 2014 #29
somehow you are trying to justify that bs folksy way of saying we tortured but its ok because folks xiamiam Dec 2014 #30
Read Obama's statement in full ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #34
Even if all he said, was "we tortured some folks", that is still wrong Beringia Dec 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #37
She isn't a torture apologist, she is an Obama apologist LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #144
I dont watch tv..makes it very easy for me to identify an apologist or sycophant xiamiam Dec 2014 #41
Not all, but which? Hissyspit Dec 2014 #44
And that is the crux of the matter ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #62
My point: He should have been clear. And we certainly didn't need to be told not to be Hissyspit Dec 2014 #81
DU is full of ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #89
and if I was in his position stupidicus Dec 2014 #149
If only you could find outrage over people being tortured, like you can this Scootaloo Dec 2014 #56
I have written several pieces over the years ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #57
is the president seeking prosecutions? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #59
What does your statement here have anything to do with the OP deliberately editing LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #75
WilliamPitt didn't edit anything. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #82
When the omitted ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #119
No, as I have already explained to you. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #120
jury results on this JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #131
indeed, it's hard to figure which is the more repugnant stupidicus Dec 2014 #152
Let's pretend that William edited the quote, marym625 Dec 2014 #98
Exactly! ctsnowman Dec 2014 #125
They REFUSE to answer LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #145
Anyone greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #85
As things stand now ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #88
That's totally creepy. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #93
How is the CIA not a national security team? Hissyspit Dec 2014 #43
Where did I say they weren't? NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #47
Who were the members of Bush's National Security Team at that time ? Do you remember? Autumn Dec 2014 #67
What are we supposed to not feel too sanctimonious about? morningfog Dec 2014 #46
If you'll remember ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #51
But that's not what Obama was talking about. morningfog Dec 2014 #68
No, can't you read? Vattel Dec 2014 #141
Got some links? nilesobek Dec 2014 #76
Keep digging. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #124
Thankyou, Nance. Blatant misrepresentation at work. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #53
He's calling people who object to torture "sactimonious." alarimer Dec 2014 #55
indeed, no need to "edit" stupidicus Dec 2014 #63
He didn't refer to torturers as patriots. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #69
I am not about to engage in ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #77
Dubya said "we don't torture" ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #79
Jesus. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #73
Nothing has happened to me, Will. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #86
One Duer admitted to me... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #102
Sadly ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #105
This is the world of clickbait. joshcryer Dec 2014 #110
I'd like to say that my jaw dropped when I read the post you reference. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #139
This is a 'must read' Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #106
Thanks so much, Bobbie Jo! NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #107
The MSM can be trusted if it belittles Obama. joshcryer Dec 2014 #109
Along with trusting any polls ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #111
Well said! Spazito Dec 2014 #113
Fascinating the jury left this while #36 was hidden. joshcryer Dec 2014 #112
I was pleasantly surprised #36 was hidden... Spazito Dec 2014 #115
I rarely alert. joshcryer Dec 2014 #117
I was on the jury as well, didn't expect it to be hidden given who the poster was... Spazito Dec 2014 #118
of course he did stupidicus Dec 2014 #148
I'm not interested in this discussion any further. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #150
of course not stupidicus Dec 2014 #151
While you debate what the meaning of "is" is, I'm curious... LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #142
This ones a keeper Will, ... CRH Dec 2014 #33
Not in my name anymore Fiendish Thingy Dec 2014 #39
There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #40
That is one hell of a quote, right up there with the more famous "power corrupts" quote. Thanks - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #96
Dick Cheney says he has no regrets??? young_at_heart Dec 2014 #42
Small Dick Cheney is a sociopath at best and psychopath at worst but Pres Obama understands. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #50
Cheney has 'other priorities'. Don't get me started - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #97
People who complain about how Obama shut the shit down and BootinUp Dec 2014 #49
K&R napkinz Dec 2014 #52
K&R Owl Dec 2014 #54
Not In Our Name marym625 Dec 2014 #58
this is by far the worst defensive effort of his enamored fans stupidicus Dec 2014 #64
and they are still defending him. marym625 Dec 2014 #90
They have no shame. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #128
Obama is dead to me, he's no better than any Puke. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #65
Last paragraph WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #72
+1 F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #84
+1 In_The_Wind Dec 2014 #114
Your last paragraph~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #127
Me too. marym625 Dec 2014 #91
You should not be ashamed of voting for him, imo, for he appealed in 2008 KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #99
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #101
This was a Trojan horse presidency from the beginning. woo me with science Dec 2014 #134
It is fucking torture. JEB Dec 2014 #74
I've read many fine columns by you over the years, but this must surely KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #95
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #122
If you have friends or connections abroad JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #132
I'm wondering if it doesn't boil down to prosecuting ones predecessor Babel_17 Dec 2014 #133
The first step toward some Justice is to make the horror PUBLIC. similar to why police hate cams. Sunlei Dec 2014 #136
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #138
You know what I always admired about you William... Crewleader Dec 2014 #140
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #146
Rank and Reeking sheshe2 Dec 2014 #147
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