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Jim Lane

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122. Why is it necessary that our candidate have demonstrable purity from birth?

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:27 PM

Dec 2014

We need a Presidential candidate who is willing to run, can win the nomination, can win the election, and will implement progressive policies. Those criteria right there may well be enough to eliminate everyone. Piling on additional criteria makes it even harder to find a suitable candidate.

I personally have never been a Republican but I've changed my mind on some issues. Our candidates are entitled to some leeway, provided the change looks genuine (as it does for both Clinton and Warren) as opposed to an opportunistic political move, like Romney's multiple Etch-A-Sketch moments.

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So... It's OK If Hillary Clinton Was A Goldwater Girl, Yet Not OK For Warren To Have Been A RePuke ? [View all] WillyT Dec 2014 OP

I think the difference is one of time... brooklynite Dec 2014 #1

So What Do You Think The Expiration Date Should Be ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #2

Obviously none. Democratic supporters welcomed yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #9

Each person will decide for themselves treestar Dec 2014 #83

Are you forgetting Dick Nixon? Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #134

He was relatively moderate treestar Dec 2014 #136

He was still a turdhead! Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #137

Well that's true. treestar Dec 2014 #155

The Neocons and the republican Supreme Court Just-Asses... Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #157

Nixon was relatively moderate? You should read up on Nixon because that is wrong. Rex Dec 2014 #140

He started the EPA treestar Dec 2014 #156

Who gives a crap? Adrahil Dec 2014 #65

Always consider the source when this kind of... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #3

Maybe It's Just Me... But I Find The Argument Ironic... WillyT Dec 2014 #4

Yeah, people can change... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #48

When was Hilary a registered republican? You know the answer, she did not vote until 1968, Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #86

Hillary was in highschool, her parents were Republicans. That's not my fave rave, but Warren fans Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #5

So... It's A Timing/Evolutioning Thingy With You... Check. WillyT Dec 2014 #7

Voting age was 21, Hillary was 17. You failed to address anything I said, which was clear and to the Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #12

And Sadly... I Will Continue To Fail To See The Difference... WillyT Dec 2014 #13

That's because you are not respectful enough to pay attention to what I am telling you. Try again. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #18

Your're Correct... WillyT Dec 2014 #19

No, because I'm not talking about the potential candidates, I'm talking about the double standard Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #23

Did You Bother To Check Out Post #7 ??? WillyT Dec 2014 #24

You are being intentionally obtuse. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #28

Paragraph Breaks Would Help... WillyT Dec 2014 #30

So, can you get Lizzie elected? leftofcool Dec 2014 #59

You ignore the substance and stoop to criticize the post layout? MineralMan Dec 2014 #91

The disrespect is I think, an important symptom of the 'social issues don't matter' mindset. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #95

I think you have it. MineralMan Dec 2014 #117

And usually the people who don't care for social issues Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #124

More dishonesty and evasion. Show me where I supported Hillary? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #98

people like manny and willy obviously aren't in the business of trying to garner support for their dionysus Dec 2014 #130

Did you bother to watch This Week when Warren was on? MADem Dec 2014 #152

I really wish I could say that this thread and the folks supporting it are a shock to me Number23 Dec 2014 #162

Maybe because no one was making the comparison until Hillary supporters sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #37

well, that is some very wishful thinking, ignoring the majority of a candidate's adult life, LOL! bettyellen Dec 2014 #41

Just so you know, I have always challenged any and all Reagan supporters to explain themselves Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #79

exactly this, I am giving the side eye an anyone who was a heartless republican those years bettyellen Dec 2014 #109

Hillary was a kid, Warren was in her mid forties. Beacool Dec 2014 #143

I'm actually with you on this. Marr Dec 2014 #113

Nailed it! Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #120

Hilary was in highschool/ early college. Warren? An adult, by any standard. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #6

True but Warren was only 50 years old when she became yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #10

Goldwater was a moderate democrat by todays standards. adirondacker Dec 2014 #15

And she still supports Republican policies. She's not in high school anymore. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #38

This. LeftOfWest Dec 2014 #127

Let me add that the application of double standards is a Republican trait which I reject. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8

Did you tell that to Hillary supporters who initiated this comparison? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39

See, I don't give a shit about Hillary OR Warren. Get it? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #100

I will allow for anyone to evolve and change their thinking on any issue as long as Marie Marie Dec 2014 #11

THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #16

+1 Marr Dec 2014 #114

"Clinton was" ? adirondacker Dec 2014 #14

Doesn't Goldwater represent the most reactionary militant right wing values? Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #17

But Hillary was too young to vote for Goldwater, while Elizabeth Warren voted for George Bush. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #20

Yes, and a pro-Goldwater post got 157 recs here: joshcryer Dec 2014 #64

I grew up in GOP home, voted Reagan, Reagan, GHWB, Perot. Then came a political conversion. TheBlackAdder Dec 2014 #21

Warren was was a Republican when Reagan was ignoring the AIDS crisis... SidDithers Dec 2014 #22

You are correct on all of that, her Republican Party was also stridenly anti choice. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #25

So... Let Me Get This Straight... Being A Republican, Because Your Parents Were Republican... WillyT Dec 2014 #32

The real question is, do either or both of them still support Republican policies? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #40

I Know... Sigh... WillyT Dec 2014 #42

Let me explain this 'Straight' style. When I was the age that Hillary was when she was a 'Goldwater Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #111

Which killed more people? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #52

Now you're minimizing the AIDS crisis, Manny?... SidDithers Dec 2014 #56

Disgusting attempt at deflection MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #58

It's a fucking accurate representation... SidDithers Dec 2014 #60

Warren started voting Democratic in 1995 MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #71

How many Democrats opposed the shocking and awe'ing of Baghdad under sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #131

he called you out on a truth, you projecting, self important douchebag. NT dionysus Dec 2014 #139

I knew I liked you for more than your bankies!!! Beacool Dec 2014 #147

and where have you been young lady? carousing i assume? dionysus Dec 2014 #149

oh wait.. i just found something in my sleeve... dionysus Dec 2014 #151

Thank you, my friend!!! Beacool Dec 2014 #159

!!! Number23 Dec 2014 #160

The only disgusting thing is YOUR vile comparison. Beacool Dec 2014 #146

AIDS. Objectively. joshcryer Dec 2014 #61

That wasn't the question I asked, of course MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #66

You asked what killed more people. joshcryer Dec 2014 #67

You're obfuscating MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #70

Yes, Bush was invading anyway. joshcryer Dec 2014 #74

A million and a half people died of AIDS last year. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #80

People make mistakes Manny. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #85

39 million deaths since 1981, 1.5 million in 2013. 636,000 Americans since 81 Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #76

Do you actually not have any idea how many people have MineralMan Dec 2014 #77

And that is exactly why it became important to make sure this gets talked about. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #81

Yes. Making light of Reagan's inaction and not recognizing MineralMan Dec 2014 #84

We were both Californians when he was Governor. My elementary school organized against him Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #104

Reagan consistently trashed important social services MineralMan Dec 2014 #118

You're intentionally misreading my post MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #89

I'm misreading nothing. MineralMan Dec 2014 #92

Well Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #99

Indeed. MineralMan Dec 2014 #119

no he didn't. and it would be nice if *you* had some sense of shame. unfortunately, you don't. dionysus Dec 2014 #141

you sure stuck your foot in your mouth that time. you're getting careless and letting yourself slip. dionysus Dec 2014 #138

"Getting" careless? We crossed that bridge a loooong time ago. Number23 Dec 2014 #161

Actually, AIDS killed more people. Beacool Dec 2014 #145

Warren is a great senator and it should not be held against her imo. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #26

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #33

Depends on How old they were JI7 Dec 2014 #27

They are both against the grain madville Dec 2014 #29

That's true of Warren but Hillary was never a Republican, the OP is talking about when she was Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #31

Or.. WillyT Dec 2014 #34

Hillary supports neocon foreign policies. Talk to women and gays in the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #43

I didn't vote for Hillary when I was asked to last time, don't support her. 08 Primary I backed Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #90

I get your point, and don't disagree with it. I was sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #129

because Hillary promotes many GOP policies while Warren doesn't? w-what? MisterP Dec 2014 #35

LOL !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #36

Whoever said that? There's been a lot of sniping at HRC for her high school/college affiliations.... Hekate Dec 2014 #44

I think the chronology was the other way around. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #121

I've always concluded that people can change and grow, and not just the young. Hekate Dec 2014 #123

another day, another Manny post stirring shit on DU... dionysus Dec 2014 #45

Oh Yes... Another Day, Another It Don't Mattter Post... WillyT Dec 2014 #46

sorry willy, i mistook you for manny. FWIW i don't think you post OPs merely to seek attention dionysus Dec 2014 #115

Very nice of you, dissing a DUer like that. RiverLover Dec 2014 #57

I support Bernie Sanders of the current batch of potentials, when I ask about Warren her supporters Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #107

Because Hillary is a goddess.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #47

As opposed to those who adore Warren? Beacool Dec 2014 #148

Hell, I supported Kucinich.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #150

Really sad to see that kind of negativity transferred to DU.... Rowdyboy Dec 2014 #158

Or vice versa? Neither matters. n/t pampango Dec 2014 #49

Irrelevant for both. The only important question is-- eridani Dec 2014 #50

Lame comparison...Hillary managed the McGovern campagn in Texas in 1972 BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #51

Hell, in 1972 Warren would have been voting for Richard Nixon, that's what Republicans did and Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #94

I was talking comparable ages BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #97

Both are OK in my book, but as topic of conversation... wyldwolf Dec 2014 #53

IMO, all that matters at this point is policy justiceischeap Dec 2014 #54

I don't want to see Hillary get the nom. and I think Warren is great RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #55

You have it exactly backwards. baldguy Dec 2014 #62

Hillary Clinton was never a voting Republican. joshcryer Dec 2014 #63

The better question is why can't Dems find persons who were malaise Dec 2014 #68

Exactly. I sure as hell can do that. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #73

Do you have any evidence for your repeated attacks on Warren? Jim Lane Dec 2014 #125

Why is it necessary that our candidate have demonstrable purity from birth? Jim Lane Dec 2014 #122

IDK. I'm a 65-year-old broad, and going back to JFK, I've been a Democrat. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #69

I have seen it both ways on du. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #72

+1 ~nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #75

Because the Vichy-Dems/Corporate-Dems Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #78

If HRC is the nominee, the deflation of enthusiasm amongst independents closeupready Dec 2014 #112

As I explain when people Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #116

The 60s vs the 80s treestar Dec 2014 #82

Because Hillary was a teenager at the time. Warren was an adult. MineralMan Dec 2014 #87

I guess the question will be to Warren "WTH did it take you so long to get smart?" Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #88

there are many massive differences dsc Dec 2014 #93

Wrong. She wasn't Republican, she was Independent & voted both ways depending on issues. RiverLover Dec 2014 #96

If you voted for Reagan and Bush, as she did dsc Dec 2014 #101

19 years now as a true progressive democrat. Why aren't you proud? RiverLover Dec 2014 #105

that answer tells me it is all about economics for her dsc Dec 2014 #106

No, she says "I was a Republican, because I thought that those were the people who best supported Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #108

Elizabeth Warren was a registered Republican in PA through the mid-nineties. MADem Dec 2014 #110

I hear the reverse ... its Ok for Warren, BAD BAD BAD for Hillary. JoePhilly Dec 2014 #102

The hypocrisy of the Left. Beacool Dec 2014 #144

I see someone else posted the idea of age being a factor... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #103

Probably sexism right? Exultant Democracy Dec 2014 #126

I think a candidate's past is less important that what policies they embrace RIGHT NOW. Maedhros Dec 2014 #128

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #132

I like Warren, but before I can support her campaign for the Presidency Maedhros Dec 2014 #135

I don't have an issue with what either one was in the past. bigwillq Dec 2014 #133

Simple........ Beacool Dec 2014 #142

I didn't know that about Warren .... I still like her n/t kevinmc Dec 2014 #153

Hillary was a high school student. Elizabeth was decades older. n/t pnwmom Dec 2014 #154