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sharp_stick

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13. There was already an investigation

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 04:04 PM

Dec 2014

and they decided not to prosecute. I'm sure the Justice Department already had all the information and more than the Senate report put out. How could you expect them to redo it now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082401743.html?hpid=topnews

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/durham-torture-cia-obama-holder

We'll never really know why the Justice Department cleared the investigation because the CIA has the ability to classify pretty much any document they want so no actual results will ever be published.

Personally, I think the reason there were never any prosecutions is that it was to politically dangerous. It would take more than just the President and Attorney General to actually go after these scumbags. You'd need a willing Congress and an actually impartial Supreme Court along with a bunch of investigators and prosecutors willing to hang their careers on it.

I never expected any prosecutions, I did however expect some reforms at the CIA and I've been sadly disappointed in that respect. When we had control of Congress we had a very short window to actually make some concrete changes in that organization and even though there have been some reforms they haven't come anywhere near the vast overhaul they need.

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or "who could have imagined...." nt grasswire Dec 2014 #1

Indeed. hifiguy Dec 2014 #2

You said what I felt Mira Dec 2014 #4

Yeah I know sharp_stick Dec 2014 #5

A 'stupid phrase?' markpkessinger Dec 2014 #9

He chooses his words very carefully -- he is a lawyer. nichomachus Dec 2014 #30

And that.... daleanime Dec 2014 #33

Exactly. This wasn't misspeaking. nichomachus Dec 2014 #35

Here's the real question you should be asking. 'How can ANYONE sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #44

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x2 The Great Pretender. RiverLover Dec 2014 #14

It's come to that. hifiguy Dec 2014 #18

I've been saying for several years now . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #59

Well it would have been sharp_stick Dec 2014 #3

How about . . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #6

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You hit the bull's eye, sir. hifiguy Dec 2014 #8

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Thank you for this comment and the OP. (nt) enough Dec 2014 #12

There was already an investigation sharp_stick Dec 2014 #13

The decision not to prosecute . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #16

You're probably right sharp_stick Dec 2014 #19

..."right -after- he was elected." So much we learned right after, but not before. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #20

Just as we eventually learned that he told the banksters hifiguy Dec 2014 #29

"The Long Con is out in the open now"--undeniably true!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #32

I realized that we, as an electorate, had been had hifiguy Dec 2014 #34

This was my exact same experience as well. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #60

Rec! RiverLover Dec 2014 #17

Thread win. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #21

And that's it said well Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #22

Folks with a limited capacity for morality as well as empathy Dragonfli Dec 2014 #23

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