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Octafish

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14. NSA spied on Sen. Frank Church (D-ID) in 1976.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:04 PM
Dec 2014

Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American. The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.


And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT

Imagine what the can do with today's computers? Drones, too.
Of course he does. As we all should. No one controls or supervises that outfit. Tatiana Dec 2014 #1
You think the CIA was ultimately responsible for JFK's assassination? nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #2
no doubt in my mind Bobby too larkrake Dec 2014 #4
Sandy Serrano MinM Dec 2014 #109
Ultimately? I don't know for sure. Tatiana Dec 2014 #7
exactly! well said....n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #106
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2014 #34
+1 2naSalit Dec 2014 #96
No. But he fears the backlash if he tries to hold the thugs accountable for their crimes. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #3
Every Democratic president after Truman has been scared hifiguy Dec 2014 #5
So yeah, there's that... and RFK too. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #63
Not refuting that idea at all, but I'm curious as to what you base it on.. whathehell Dec 2014 #78
there is this new field of history called Deep Politics. librechik Dec 2014 #88
I'll check it out. n/t whathehell Dec 2014 #92
If i were him, i certainly would. Presidents come & go, the cia is here to stay. spanone Dec 2014 #6
yes nt grasswire Dec 2014 #8
If they don't have shit on you, they can make it up and sound convincing. 6000eliot Dec 2014 #9
No, he doesn't fear them. He doesn't fear the CIA or NSA and he doesn't fear the military. stevenleser Dec 2014 #10
Do you truly believe that, Steven?? kentuck Dec 2014 #13
100% I do, and very familiar to your second question. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #15
So then he must be OK with the CIA lying to Congress, eh? Scuba Dec 2014 #66
And he must also be OK with the CIA spying on Congress, too. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #69
Yep, that too. Scuba Dec 2014 #70
When the story broke about the CIA spying on Feinstein's select committee, Charlie Pierce KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #71
Neither Brooklynite nor Lesser has replied. Scuba Dec 2014 #72
I edited my post to delete my specific call-out, but yeah, the silence is deafening. They KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #73
And there's rainbow colored unicorns and cotton candy clouds... Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #77
I can't help but believe that the CTs make it that much harder to engage in actual reform. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #101
I doubt BHO's in PoppyBush's inner power circle. What president is? blm Dec 2014 #11
Bill Clinton n/t librechik Dec 2014 #89
Wonderful to see many DU ers Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #12
NSA spied on Sen. Frank Church (D-ID) in 1976. Octafish Dec 2014 #14
Frank Church was one of the great liberals. He was also one of the group of Senators who were jwirr Dec 2014 #102
Jimmy Hoffa and the Church Committee MinM Dec 2014 #110
TOS: "Don't go overboard with the crazy talk." brooklynite Dec 2014 #16
Well, you are a big help. kentuck Dec 2014 #17
All you have to do is provide evidence, and I'll stop being naive brooklynite Dec 2014 #18
You will need to take some responsibility for educating yourself. kentuck Dec 2014 #21
See he met these folks! SO that should mean you can't talk about it anymore. Rex Dec 2014 #27
... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #35
I'M not saying you can't say anything... brooklynite Dec 2014 #57
Google Octafish's exqusitely researched and documented posts hifiguy Dec 2014 #22
Or, another JFK conspiracy page brooklynite Dec 2014 #23
You wrote you haven't read anything to change your mind. Octafish Dec 2014 #79
Thank you Octafish. Funny how some people's reading list can be missing large pieces of truth. n/t librechik Dec 2014 #91
You are most welcome, librechik! Here's something from Nixon to know... Octafish Dec 2014 #103
I have read your material..and I retain my position brooklynite Dec 2014 #98
You must be mixed up. I didn't call you naive. Octafish Dec 2014 #100
You may want to read Bugliosi's Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy zappaman Dec 2014 #97
I remember in college I knew a girl whose family truebluegreen Dec 2014 #54
Answer: the kind of evidence that would convince me... brooklynite Dec 2014 #58
He's either afraid, or he's OK with them lying to Congress. You apparently believe it's the latter. Scuba Dec 2014 #67
Do you believe in atoms and molecules? Those are invisible, too. librechik Dec 2014 #93
I DID read them...and it didn't change my mind brooklynite Dec 2014 #99
that handfull... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #107
... merrily Dec 2014 #86
Yes! And I don't blame him! We all know the theories. mfcorey1 Dec 2014 #19
The President fears another 9-11 on his watch Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #20
Yes, yes and yes. fadedrose Dec 2014 #24
I'd say Yes. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #25
Doubtful Lurks Often Dec 2014 #26
Sometimes I think the "unpleasant decisions" may cause them... kentuck Dec 2014 #29
Or they recognize reality isn't as simple as a discussion board wants it to be Lurks Often Dec 2014 #31
Bad choices brought about by bad choices? kentuck Dec 2014 #33
Or bad choices and worse choices forced upon them by others Lurks Often Dec 2014 #38
I wouldn't call it fear, more like worry that they have way too much Rex Dec 2014 #28
I think he does, probably justifiably so. nt intheozone Dec 2014 #30
My Housemate thinks Obama feas Assassination daredtowork Dec 2014 #32
Along with the CIA, he has another fear fadedrose Dec 2014 #44
He also wants to keep them alive. nt. daredtowork Dec 2014 #46
I don't think bu$h Sr. "quivered in fear" of the CIA Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #47
Just because he was the head... daredtowork Dec 2014 #52
My husband has thought since day one marlakay Dec 2014 #59
The CIA needs to be dissolved. alarimer Dec 2014 #36
It has been for 60 years. hifiguy Dec 2014 #50
+ a zillion truebluegreen Dec 2014 #55
I agree. It is rotten to the core, has always been, but probably too powerful to dismantle. northoftheborder Dec 2014 #62
+ another Scuba Dec 2014 #68
This would absolve both Bushes and Reagan, of course. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #37
It would absolve all of them. And, if true, we may as pack it in and take up knitting. merrily Dec 2014 #82
Obviously, the CIA has him under their thumb. 99Forever Dec 2014 #39
Do you think if he was being threatened and came out and said so he would be ignored? Autumn Dec 2014 #40
Then why do they get away with so much illegal activity? Rex Dec 2014 #43
Because no President bothers to control them. When a President who is a Democrat Autumn Dec 2014 #49
Yeah that is a good point. Rex Dec 2014 #51
Which kinda brings us back to the original quesiton: truebluegreen Dec 2014 #56
Also, Obama was a member of the elite Senate club... kentuck Dec 2014 #61
do you think that... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #108
I doubt it Derek V Dec 2014 #41
No, I don't think our President is a coward. n/t zappaman Dec 2014 #42
Fear of something or someone need not make one a 'coward'. Fear can be KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #80
I say no (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #45
not at all JI7 Dec 2014 #48
I'm sure he is madokie Dec 2014 #53
I would if I were he. But if you listen to a lot of DUers, BHO approves of torture and probably ... Hekate Dec 2014 #60
I saw DUers say he said some of the torturers are patriots and I saw DUers say Amnesty merrily Dec 2014 #84
Well, he has a family... Tom Ripley Dec 2014 #64
Hell, we should all fear the CIA and should demand it's demise. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #65
Yes and no. H2O Man Dec 2014 #74
I have always assumed that to be the case. nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #75
I have no doubt. CIA is another beyond control criminal organization. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #76
I doubt it. merrily Dec 2014 #81
You have to be really dumb or really naive RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #83
Personally my speculation lately is that retribution would be in the form of a mushroom cloud hootinholler Dec 2014 #85
Absolutely. librechik Dec 2014 #87
He has no fear of sending others to war. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #90
I think he is given 3 choices. a) send troops. or b) send MORE troops. librechik Dec 2014 #94
I find the concept of a kept president almost treasonous behavior, if true bigtree Dec 2014 #95
It's worse: he's in The Bubble Nevernose Dec 2014 #104
very likely. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #105
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