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NanceGreggs

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62. And that is the crux of the matter ...

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:43 PM

Dec 2014

""... and there was enormous pressure on our law enforcement and our national security teams to try to deal with this. And it’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots."

By saying "a lot of those folks", he was apparently leaving some people out of the group he was referring to as "patriots".

It seems some would have it that he was calling torturers "patriots" - so WHO was he leaving out when he said "a lot of" instead of "all"? Was it the people in law enforcement and nat'l security who had no involvement in torture whatsoever? Do you honestly think he was singling out torturers as "patriots", and implying that those not involved were not to be considered "patriots"?

Here's the thing, Hissyspit. This one statement by Obama has been parsed, sliced, diced, dissected, analyzed - and, in Will's case, "edited" in such a way as to ignore its context and its completeness of thought.

Given that there have been no other statements made by Obama (that anyone has yet to point to) even coming close to his calling torturers "patriots", logic dictates that THIS statement would have to be totally out of sync with everything else the man has said on the topic.

Does that make sense to you? Do you think Obama just suddenly decided to refer to torturers as "patriots", in hopes that no one would notice? Do you think he figured he could slip that one remark into a statement on torture "just this one time", and no one would hear it?

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The Rank, Reeking Horror of Torturing Some Folks [View all] WilliamPitt Dec 2014 OP

None of the revelations of late surprise me. I am not going to hop on the outrage train today. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #1

Hillary *means* more torture, renditions, warmongering, TPP, surveillance state, police state, woo me with science Dec 2014 #9

You should make these links part of your signature hueymahl Dec 2014 #21

I'm reading your post and I Duval Dec 2014 #60

I give a rat's ass about what you say, too. woo me with science Dec 2014 #135

+25 nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #103

Oh, another post from Woo ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #108

He praised Mark Udall, a third wayer, yesterday. joshcryer Dec 2014 #116

Good Lord Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #129

Yep. joshcryer Dec 2014 #130

Pretty much says it all. nruthie Dec 2014 #2

Dick Cheney belongs in Chains warrant46 Dec 2014 #83

So did Reagan and Bush Sr but we all have seen how that turned out with cstanleytech Dec 2014 #121

He will probably die of old age still vacationing & advising with koch and the republican gang. Sunlei Dec 2014 #137

no sale for a ticket on the outrage train on this. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #3

I'm not holding my breath for justice IDemo Dec 2014 #4

By that measure, 9/11 was perpetrated by "some folks" who were under a lot of pressure. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #5

Kick kick kick! truebluegreen Dec 2014 #6

Charlie Pierce had this to say on the matter when news of the spying by CIA on the KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #94

K&R.... daleanime Dec 2014 #7

RAPING CHILDREN in our name also...... heaven05 Dec 2014 #8

Kicked and recommended a massive amount! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #10

some folks are currently ignoring the fact that we are a nation of laws xiamiam Dec 2014 #11

oddly, he keeps telling us that we are a nation of laws. grasswire Dec 2014 #14

This is typical rhetoric. We are a nation of laws we just don't apply them to the 1% class. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #45

+1 I'm just guessing but I think the President made the no snappyturtle Dec 2014 #104

Every state that turns authoritarian builds a propaganda machine. nt woo me with science Dec 2014 #123

Thank you, Will. woo me with science Dec 2014 #12

God is in the mix, I'm a Christian, we tortured some folks, don't be sanctimonious- Obama poetics Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #13

I know. People loving each other and "God is in the mix". Jamastiene Dec 2014 #87

proud to rec this, Will grasswire Dec 2014 #15

When the two main culprits Bush and Cheney start pointing fingers simultaneously denying a crime.... gordianot Dec 2014 #16

Thanks Will... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #17

He knew, Will. DeSwiss Dec 2014 #18

"There will be justice done, on this side or the other." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #19

Which was the point of this particular exercise. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #22

No. I'm just looking forward to this... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #31

If only n/t Duval Dec 2014 #61

60 recs and counting... woo me with science Dec 2014 #20

67 rec and counting woo Autumn Dec 2014 #24

Bump this up because it fucking reeks. Still Autumn Dec 2014 #23

K & R Liberal_Dog Dec 2014 #25

Great piece, Will Oilwellian Dec 2014 #26

Nice editing job ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #27

"Later in his remarks" WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #28

Yes, reading IS fundamental, Will. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #36

I noticed that Andy823 Dec 2014 #38

The difference you are pointing out is insignificant to the issue. Maybe Will exaggerated rhett o rick Dec 2014 #48

Absolutely. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #92

It stinks either way. nilesobek Dec 2014 #71

He said ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #78

Thanks for the reply. I see your point nilesobek Dec 2014 #80

If a Repulican said what he did you would never excuse it Marrah_G Dec 2014 #100

^This^ LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #143

WTF?? malaise Dec 2014 #153

Sorry, Nance Thespian2 Dec 2014 #126

oh no - not again. 840high Dec 2014 #29

somehow you are trying to justify that bs folksy way of saying we tortured but its ok because folks xiamiam Dec 2014 #30

Read Obama's statement in full ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #34

Even if all he said, was "we tortured some folks", that is still wrong Beringia Dec 2014 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #37

She isn't a torture apologist, she is an Obama apologist LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #144

I dont watch tv..makes it very easy for me to identify an apologist or sycophant xiamiam Dec 2014 #41

Not all, but which? Hissyspit Dec 2014 #44

And that is the crux of the matter ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #62

My point: He should have been clear. And we certainly didn't need to be told not to be Hissyspit Dec 2014 #81

DU is full of ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #89

and if I was in his position stupidicus Dec 2014 #149

If only you could find outrage over people being tortured, like you can this Scootaloo Dec 2014 #56

I have written several pieces over the years ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #57

is the president seeking prosecutions? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #59

What does your statement here have anything to do with the OP deliberately editing LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #75

WilliamPitt didn't edit anything. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #82

When the omitted ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #119

No, as I have already explained to you. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #120

jury results on this JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #131

indeed, it's hard to figure which is the more repugnant stupidicus Dec 2014 #152

Let's pretend that William edited the quote, marym625 Dec 2014 #98

Exactly! ctsnowman Dec 2014 #125

They REFUSE to answer LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #145

Anyone greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #85

As things stand now ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #88

That's totally creepy. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #93

How is the CIA not a national security team? Hissyspit Dec 2014 #43

Where did I say they weren't? NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #47

Who were the members of Bush's National Security Team at that time ? Do you remember? Autumn Dec 2014 #67

What are we supposed to not feel too sanctimonious about? morningfog Dec 2014 #46

If you'll remember ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #51

But that's not what Obama was talking about. morningfog Dec 2014 #68

No, can't you read? Vattel Dec 2014 #141

Got some links? nilesobek Dec 2014 #76

Keep digging. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #124

Thankyou, Nance. Blatant misrepresentation at work. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #53

He's calling people who object to torture "sactimonious." alarimer Dec 2014 #55

indeed, no need to "edit" stupidicus Dec 2014 #63

He didn't refer to torturers as patriots. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #69

I am not about to engage in ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #77

Dubya said "we don't torture" ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #79

Jesus. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #73

Nothing has happened to me, Will. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #86

One Duer admitted to me... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #102

Sadly ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #105

This is the world of clickbait. joshcryer Dec 2014 #110

I'd like to say that my jaw dropped when I read the post you reference. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #139

This is a 'must read' Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #106

Thanks so much, Bobbie Jo! NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #107

The MSM can be trusted if it belittles Obama. joshcryer Dec 2014 #109

Along with trusting any polls ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #111

Well said! Spazito Dec 2014 #113

Fascinating the jury left this while #36 was hidden. joshcryer Dec 2014 #112

I was pleasantly surprised #36 was hidden... Spazito Dec 2014 #115

I rarely alert. joshcryer Dec 2014 #117

I was on the jury as well, didn't expect it to be hidden given who the poster was... Spazito Dec 2014 #118

of course he did stupidicus Dec 2014 #148

I'm not interested in this discussion any further. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #150

of course not stupidicus Dec 2014 #151

While you debate what the meaning of "is" is, I'm curious... LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #142

This ones a keeper Will, ... CRH Dec 2014 #33

Not in my name anymore Fiendish Thingy Dec 2014 #39

There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #40

That is one hell of a quote, right up there with the more famous "power corrupts" quote. Thanks - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #96

Dick Cheney says he has no regrets??? young_at_heart Dec 2014 #42

Small Dick Cheney is a sociopath at best and psychopath at worst but Pres Obama understands. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #50

Cheney has 'other priorities'. Don't get me started - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #97

People who complain about how Obama shut the shit down and BootinUp Dec 2014 #49

K&R napkinz Dec 2014 #52

K&R Owl Dec 2014 #54

Not In Our Name marym625 Dec 2014 #58

this is by far the worst defensive effort of his enamored fans stupidicus Dec 2014 #64

and they are still defending him. marym625 Dec 2014 #90

They have no shame. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #128

Obama is dead to me, he's no better than any Puke. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #65

Last paragraph WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #72

+1 F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #84

+1 In_The_Wind Dec 2014 #114

Your last paragraph~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #127

Me too. marym625 Dec 2014 #91

You should not be ashamed of voting for him, imo, for he appealed in 2008 KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #99

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #101

This was a Trojan horse presidency from the beginning. woo me with science Dec 2014 #134

It is fucking torture. JEB Dec 2014 #74

I've read many fine columns by you over the years, but this must surely KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #95

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #122

If you have friends or connections abroad JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #132

I'm wondering if it doesn't boil down to prosecuting ones predecessor Babel_17 Dec 2014 #133

The first step toward some Justice is to make the horror PUBLIC. similar to why police hate cams. Sunlei Dec 2014 #136

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You know what I always admired about you William... Crewleader Dec 2014 #140

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Rank and Reeking sheshe2 Dec 2014 #147