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In reply to the discussion: The Rank, Reeking Horror of Torturing Some Folks [View all]Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)82. WilliamPitt didn't edit anything.
Back in August, President Obama - who saw this report and all of its grisly details coming a mile away - let drop the least anonymous penny in history: "We tortured some folks." Later in his remarks, the president said, "And, you know, it's important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots, but having said all that, we did some things that were wrong."
"Later in his remarks" is not an edit, but a factual statement - especially since "later' is exactly two sentences later.
With respect to the larger point of the RDI report itself, even before I came into office I was very clear that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 we did some things that were wrong. We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. We did some things that were contrary to our values.
I understand why it happened. I think its important when we look back to recall how afraid people were after the Twin Towers fell and the Pentagon had been hit and the plane in Pennsylvania had fallen, and people did not know whether more attacks were imminent, and there was enormous pressure on our law enforcement and our national security teams to try to deal with this. And its important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/01/press-conference-president
This is what the man said. and the context clearly shows that he is coming to the defense of those who conductedthese acts, while trying to condemn the acts themselves.
However, our legal system does not operate on the philosophy of "hate the sin but love the sinner."
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None of the revelations of late surprise me. I am not going to hop on the outrage train today.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#1
Hillary *means* more torture, renditions, warmongering, TPP, surveillance state, police state,
woo me with science
Dec 2014
#9
He will probably die of old age still vacationing & advising with koch and the republican gang.
Sunlei
Dec 2014
#137
By that measure, 9/11 was perpetrated by "some folks" who were under a lot of pressure.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2014
#5
Charlie Pierce had this to say on the matter when news of the spying by CIA on the
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#94
This is typical rhetoric. We are a nation of laws we just don't apply them to the 1% class. nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#45
Every state that turns authoritarian builds a propaganda machine. nt
woo me with science
Dec 2014
#123
God is in the mix, I'm a Christian, we tortured some folks, don't be sanctimonious- Obama poetics
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#13
When the two main culprits Bush and Cheney start pointing fingers simultaneously denying a crime....
gordianot
Dec 2014
#16
The difference you are pointing out is insignificant to the issue. Maybe Will exaggerated
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#48
somehow you are trying to justify that bs folksy way of saying we tortured but its ok because folks
xiamiam
Dec 2014
#30
I dont watch tv..makes it very easy for me to identify an apologist or sycophant
xiamiam
Dec 2014
#41
My point: He should have been clear. And we certainly didn't need to be told not to be
Hissyspit
Dec 2014
#81
What does your statement here have anything to do with the OP deliberately editing
LawDeeDah
Dec 2014
#75
Who were the members of Bush's National Security Team at that time ? Do you remember?
Autumn
Dec 2014
#67
I'd like to say that my jaw dropped when I read the post you reference.
greatauntoftriplets
Dec 2014
#139
I was on the jury as well, didn't expect it to be hidden given who the poster was...
Spazito
Dec 2014
#118
There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2014
#40
That is one hell of a quote, right up there with the more famous "power corrupts" quote. Thanks - nt
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#96
Small Dick Cheney is a sociopath at best and psychopath at worst but Pres Obama understands.
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#50
You should not be ashamed of voting for him, imo, for he appealed in 2008
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#99
I've read many fine columns by you over the years, but this must surely
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#95