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In reply to the discussion: The Rank, Reeking Horror of Torturing Some Folks [View all]KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)94. Charlie Pierce had this to say on the matter when news of the spying by CIA on the
Senate first emerged:
It is not too much of an exaggeration to say that, in one very important way, the president has lost control of his own government. The current constitutional crisis between the CIA and the Senate committee tasked with investigating its policies regarding torture during the previous administration has only one real solution that is consonant with the rule of law. Either CIA director John Brennan gets to the bottom of what his people were doing and publicly fires everyone involved, or John Brennan becomes the ex-director of the CIA. By the Constitution, this isn't even a hard call. The Senate has every legal right to investigate what was done in the name of the American people during the previous decade. It has every legal right to every scrap of information relating to its investigation, and the CIA has an affirmative legal obligation to cooperate. Period. The only way this is not true is if we come to accept the intelligence apparatus as an extra-legal, formal fourth branch of the government.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-cia-john-brennan-031414 (Emphasis added)
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-cia-john-brennan-031414 (Emphasis added)
This - the portrait of President Obama as little more than a ceremonial figurehead - is some seriously scary shit, because it raises the question of who really is in charge.
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None of the revelations of late surprise me. I am not going to hop on the outrage train today.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#1
Hillary *means* more torture, renditions, warmongering, TPP, surveillance state, police state,
woo me with science
Dec 2014
#9
He will probably die of old age still vacationing & advising with koch and the republican gang.
Sunlei
Dec 2014
#137
By that measure, 9/11 was perpetrated by "some folks" who were under a lot of pressure.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2014
#5
Charlie Pierce had this to say on the matter when news of the spying by CIA on the
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#94
This is typical rhetoric. We are a nation of laws we just don't apply them to the 1% class. nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#45
Every state that turns authoritarian builds a propaganda machine. nt
woo me with science
Dec 2014
#123
God is in the mix, I'm a Christian, we tortured some folks, don't be sanctimonious- Obama poetics
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#13
When the two main culprits Bush and Cheney start pointing fingers simultaneously denying a crime....
gordianot
Dec 2014
#16
The difference you are pointing out is insignificant to the issue. Maybe Will exaggerated
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#48
somehow you are trying to justify that bs folksy way of saying we tortured but its ok because folks
xiamiam
Dec 2014
#30
I dont watch tv..makes it very easy for me to identify an apologist or sycophant
xiamiam
Dec 2014
#41
My point: He should have been clear. And we certainly didn't need to be told not to be
Hissyspit
Dec 2014
#81
What does your statement here have anything to do with the OP deliberately editing
LawDeeDah
Dec 2014
#75
Who were the members of Bush's National Security Team at that time ? Do you remember?
Autumn
Dec 2014
#67
I'd like to say that my jaw dropped when I read the post you reference.
greatauntoftriplets
Dec 2014
#139
I was on the jury as well, didn't expect it to be hidden given who the poster was...
Spazito
Dec 2014
#118
There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2014
#40
That is one hell of a quote, right up there with the more famous "power corrupts" quote. Thanks - nt
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#96
Small Dick Cheney is a sociopath at best and psychopath at worst but Pres Obama understands.
rhett o rick
Dec 2014
#50
You should not be ashamed of voting for him, imo, for he appealed in 2008
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#99
I've read many fine columns by you over the years, but this must surely
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#95