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madfloridian

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:38 AM Dec 2014

John Yoo of the "torture creative class" is not a happy camper right now. [View all]

Back in 2009 Katha Pollitt wrote an article at The Nation about how those who were the architects of the torture program were faring quite well for themselves. John Yoo was one of them.

Those of the "torture creative class" and how they got rewarded.

Yoo is only one of those who are mentioned, and of course there were Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Feith.

What I mean is, I should have been a member of the torture creative class--a conceptual torturer, a facilitator of torture, perhaps an inventor of torture law, an architect of the torture archipelago, a dissimulator, concealer, denier, rationalizer, minimizer and pooh-pooher of torture. As a word person, I could have come up with circumlocutions to confuse the media, bureaucratic phrases like "special methods of questioning" and "enhanced interrogation techniques." According to New York Times public editor Clark Hoyt, just figuring out whether to call a given action "harsh" or "brutal" has kept editors busy for years! Or I could have written copy for the CIA. For example, I could have suggested they call putting people in coffinlike boxes full of insects "studio picnics," because studio apartments are small and picnics have bugs, and I could have nicknamed waterboarding "drinking tea with Vice President Cheney," although come to think of it, waterboarding is a euphemism already. Maybe that's why people didn't catch on that it was the same thing we prosecuted Japanese interrogators for doing in World War II. In the Tokyo trials it was called "the water treatment," or "the water cure," or just plain "water torture." Calling it "water torture" was probably what got those Japanese into trouble. That, and losing the war.

Why should I have joined the torture creative class? Because now I would be having a great life.


She mentions Yoo.

John Yoo. In 2002, while working for the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), Yoo wrote a crucial memo saying that terror suspects weren't covered by US commitments to treaties and agreements banning torture. Now Yoo is a tenured professor of law at Berkeley. Eat your heart out, Ward Churchill! And he isn't hiding away in his office, either. This semester Yoo's a visiting prof at Chapman University School of Law, where he spoke at a public forum and defended torture as necessary to protect the country. "Was it worth it?" he asked, according to the Los Angeles Times. For John Yoo, definitely.


This year UC Berkeley students, alumni and a group of lawyers are protesting John Yoo's faculty chair endowment.



UC Berkeley students, alumni and a group of lawyers in the Bay Area initiated an online petition last week to rescind UC Berkeley School of Law professor John Yoo’s recent faculty chair endowment.

Spearheaded by the Bay Area chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, the petition was launched after Yoo was announced as a newly endowed faculty chair along with four other law professors in June. Yoo has been in the spotlight of controversy ever since he co-authored a series of memorandums, dubbed the “Torture Memos,” during the administration of former president George W. Bush.


Wikipedia has some of the Torture Memos.

This week John Yoo published an op ed in the New York Daily News about his opinion of the torture revelations.

A torture report for the dustbin

The release of a Senate report on Bush-era interrogation policies could have prompted an informed, responsible debate over intelligence and the war on terror. But not the report that saw the light of day Tuesday.

Because of fundamental mistakes made at its very birth, Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s accounting offers a dispiriting, partisan attack on American intelligence agencies at a time when we need them more than ever.

Bizarrely, Feinstein and her staffers refused even to interview the very CIA officials who ordered and carried out the program in question. Because Republicans saw where the train was headed, they refused to participate in the review.

The slanted approach to the investigation sadly colored its conclusions — which are questionable, to put it charitably.


Muckety has a flow chart.



A former editor of the Yale Law Journal and clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, he is beloved by many on the right and mocked by many on the left.

He wrote the torture memos as a deputy assistant attorney general in the George W. Bush administration.

He has responded to the Senate report in a Time magazine post, saying that a president responding to terrorist attacks “must obtain intelligence as soon as possible to stop the next attack. Under these emergency conditions, a chief executive would reasonably give the green light to limited, but aggressive interrogation methods that did not cause any long-term or permanent injury. You might even approve waterboarding in the time of emergency.”

The Senate report found that torture was ineffective in unearthing information that could prevent future attacks, a finding disputed by former Vice President Dick Cheney and others in the Bush administration.

The interactive Muckety map above shows Yoo’s current and former connections.


In 2011 The Guardian UK summed up the problems this torture culture has caused for our country.

The reason why torture is universally prohibited in international and domestic law the world over, however, is not because it is ineffective or counterproductive (though it is). Torture has been universally prohibited because in the aftermath of the second world war, the nations of the world agreed, under the leadership of the United States, that respect for basic human dignity required the absolute prohibition of torture under any circumstance.

The acts of torture that John Yoo and other Bush administration officials so proudly defend are nothing less than war crimes that, in the absence of accountability, continue to undermine the United States' claim to respect the rule of law.






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It's not like he has to worry about the administration prosecuting him. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #1
That is for sure. madfloridian Dec 2014 #2
No, but who knows, many of the Latin American dictators and their sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #4
They can not openly travel outside of the United States of America Iliyah Dec 2014 #47
Yes, that is true. And I do believe it is a matter of time. The fatal lies sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #51
I have admiration for Col Wilkerson. madfloridian Dec 2014 #56
Maybe the next Warren Administration will prosecute. tecelote Dec 2014 #26
Kick and Highly Rec! adirondacker Dec 2014 #3
John Yoo said it's OK to crush a child's testicles, if the president says so. Octafish Dec 2014 #5
hey! you criminalize policy differences, and next thing you know the GOP will start being MEAN! MisterP Dec 2014 #8
Hey, he's a "patriot" who was under "pressure". Scuba Dec 2014 #13
John Yoo would have loved Nazi Germany. However, they probably wouldn't rhett o rick Dec 2014 #40
OMG he didn't really say that, did he? whathehell Dec 2014 #43
Yoo so stated for the record. Octafish Dec 2014 #46
Wow! That man is a monster! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #52
IIRC Obama persuaded Spain not to prosecute the architects of torture. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #6
Thanks for link. Did not realize that. madfloridian Dec 2014 #17
Whatta guy! hifiguy Dec 2014 #21
And he called the torturers "patriots". cui bono Dec 2014 #48
Save it for the [president of the tribunal, professor Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #7
Video John Yoo CNN...says they were acting outside orders. Baloney I say. madfloridian Dec 2014 #9
Tonight one of the guests on MSNBC referred to Yoo as a "political hack," which .... Hekate Dec 2014 #10
He must really have a cruel streak. madfloridian Dec 2014 #11
We all have meaness within us heaven05 Dec 2014 #38
Yes, what is his background?...Was there some recognizable path to his fascism? whathehell Dec 2014 #44
... napkinz Dec 2014 #12
That is just sickening. madfloridian Dec 2014 #23
Yoo should be disbarred Gothmog Dec 2014 #14
Oops. I thought you said "disballed". Shame on me. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #41
Yoo is a disgrace to the Bar Gothmog Dec 2014 #55
Fuck Yoo hootinholler Dec 2014 #15
K&R liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #16
Here is more about the groups calling for his firing from Berkeley. madfloridian Dec 2014 #18
They should go after the foreign programs....particularly those in countries msanthrope Dec 2014 #19
Yoo should never see anything but the walls of a cell. hifiguy Dec 2014 #20
I recommend that none of them leave the country. I suspect the international criminal court may not OregonBlue Dec 2014 #22
What is wrong with Berkley? I think they need another revolution. jwirr Dec 2014 #24
Yoo claims the torture produced good results. Attacks Feinstein. madfloridian Dec 2014 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #27
Big thank you, WillyT madfloridian Dec 2014 #28
Sad that Berkeley keeps this war criminal. Stanford keeps Condoliar too. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #29
They are of the power class that is never held accountable. madfloridian Dec 2014 #32
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #30
What would it take to get him deported? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #31
If he is convicted of a felony, that might do it! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #53
There's got to be an easier way. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #54
this guy should not be allowed to slip thru the cracks olddots Dec 2014 #33
.... madfloridian Dec 2014 #34
Or a short time SwankyXomb Dec 2014 #49
Another traitor. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #35
Hey law students! Boycott the fucker's classes! Divernan Dec 2014 #36
And he was rewarded with locks Dec 2014 #37
Yeah sure, the report was partisan, irresponsible, shameless, blah blah blah.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #39
John Yoo is a war criminal. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #42
Thank you. Thespian2 Dec 2014 #45
K & R! xocet Dec 2014 #50
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