Dodd-Frank push-out provision: Volcker rule already makes it unnecessary

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24. Do you have sympathy for those who will not be able to pay their rent in January with a shut down?

This is an honest question. I may be confusing you with those who are almost gleeful at the thought of a shut down to win a pyrrhic victory. I saw this same mood expressed in 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Rand Paul was ecstatic at the choice that the rightwingers would have to 'manage catastrophe':

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023822515

Is it the feeling of those who want a shut down, that those 100 million people have nothing to lose in this?

Since it's basic civics that CR's, no matter how odious, save lives. I think certain people do have a lot to lose, and in their case, the loss would be immediate and catastrophic. Most will be unable to recover, the LP idea that churches and family will swoop in and make things works is callous, inaccurate falsehood.

During the last shut down threat, a DUer posted how his aging mother, who'd paid for her home but needed all of her SS check to live where she'd put in all her savings to make it through her retirement years. I know a number of people who are only one month away from permanent homelessness, if they don't get their SS check. He was terrified for her, as he couldn't afford to support her, and the house was in an area where it was not going to be able to sold in such a short time to make ends meet.

And in the long term, there will be no solution but to continue the current safety net paid for by the federal government. No one else wants to, or is capable of sustaining even in the most minimal fashion, 100 million. Imagine the fire sale on all of their land and possessions, which would not go to the poor to help them out, but to the rich who simply saw this as a time to swoop in and get tracts of land for nothing. They have the money to wait these thing out, they always do, and they wanted a shut down the last time. As they won't be hurt.

Losing all they ever had or what now sustains the poor would kill them. That would be the effect on the most vulnerable of society, they are living month to month. This most recent threat was explained by a DUer who served people Meals on Wheels in her community and said the elderly she deals with are so anxious about this that they are in a state of terror again. They have no place to go, no IRA, investments, ability to work, and they followed all the rules and didn't speculate or have money to burn.

Many are extremely vulnerable, and yes, we are being blackmailed by the GOP. We are being faced with lousy choices. Slow pain or quick pain. Some can't wait out a shut down, they will lose all they had, and they are in no position to take the brave stance others may feel emboldened to have, which is why I say they won't die from this. Perhaps they should reconsider and take a more inclusive approach. It's for sure that the rich won't, they want these folks dead, and as Cruz said, in their opinion, the poor are poor because they are unrighteous and should lose everything. I forget if he said they should die, but that was the general gist of what his cohorts believe.

We had a member at DU who worked for the government during the Clinton shut down. People were not able to get approval for Medicaid to get life saving care, their need for continuous access to the government services that provide such things was shut off and they died. Sometimes a few days causes death. Government is like a hospital, they should never close their doors because the need is 24/7/365 a year. Shutting it down will not hurt Cruz, Paul, Boeher, etc. They already 'got theirs,' and don't care. Our party was built on caring, setting up programs to keep people alive and healthy. That is what we stand for, not being arrogant like the the GOP is.

Others have died from not being able to negotiate a continually hostile milieu that gives them no room to change their lives or manuever in times such as are unnecessarily being foisted upon them.

Yes, the banks are where the money is but they were not always an bad engine for the American people. They have morphed into the now widespread social darwinism set of the ultrawealthy who know that by killing people off, they will inherit the spoils. I don't want Obama to miss the big picture when nearly a third of the population is at state.

That OP I references is the tip of the iceberg about the crisis that would result with a shut down. We can't let this happen, we have to get these nihilists out of power, not cave in to them by giving them what the really, really want - a total shut down.

Thanks for your thougtful reply.