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madfloridian

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25. Yoo claims the torture produced good results. Attacks Feinstein.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:39 PM
Dec 2014
http://time.com/3626957/yoo-senate-torture-report-feinstein/

Any President who followed Feinstein’s advice would fail in his or her fundamental duty to protect the security of the United States

Suppose you are a President who has just witnessed 3,000 American deaths in a terrorist attack by a shadowy enemy. Intelligence strongly indicates that follow-on attacks will come. You have little information on future attacks, but you know that the enemy will employ unconventional tactics that violate the very laws of war. The enemy disguises its operatives as civilians, it attacks civilians and peaceful targets by surprise, and is willing to use any weapons, including chemical and biological. Then, just a few months after the attacks, an amazing stroke of good fortune falls into your lap: The U.S. captures the first high-ranking leader of the enemy.
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What would you do? According to Senator Dianne Feinstein’s report on Bush-era interrogation policies, released today, you should allow only police station-style questioning. Designed to build a rapport between the interrogator and the detainee, these methods can take weeks, if not months, if they work at all. If al Qaeda leaders refuse to cooperate, the CIA and FBI will have to wait. You cannot treat them differently, the Feinstein report implies; you must give them the same benefits that our Constitution reserves for American citizens suspected of garden variety, domestic crimes. If another attack occurs, perhaps worse than the first, the President must still wait for the al Qaeda leaders to cooperate willingly.

Any President who followed Feinstein’s advice would fail in his or her fundamental duty to protect the security of the United States. A President charged with this responsibility cannot wait weeks, months, or never; he must obtain intelligence as soon as possible to stop the next attack. Under these emergency conditions, a chief executive would reasonably give the green light to limited, but aggressive interrogation methods that did not cause any long-term or permanent injury. You might even approve waterboarding in the time of emergency (remember, again, that this is three months after the attacks) if limited only to enemy leaders thought to have information about pending attacks.

As a member of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel at the time of the 9/11 attacks, I thought that the CIA’s proposed interrogation methods were within the bounds of the law—just barely. They did not inflict serious, long-term pain or suffering, as prohibited by the federal statute banning torture. We realized then that waterboarding came closest to the line. But the fact that the U.S. military has used it to train thousands of U.S. airmen, officers, and soldiers without harm indicated that it didn’t constitute torture. Limiting tough interrogation methods only to al Qaeda leaders thought to have actionable information, during a time when the nation was under attack, further underscored the measured, narrow nature of President Bush’s decision.

The Feinstein report cannot deny that most Americans agree President Bush acted reasonably under these emergency conditions. Indeed, if the American people concluded that Bush had made a grave mistake, it could have turned him out of office in the 2004 elections (which took place after the stories about tough interrogations first leaked).


He thinks waterboarding came closest to crossing the line. Is he claiming not to know about everything else?

The man is all over defending the indefensible.

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It's not like he has to worry about the administration prosecuting him. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #1
That is for sure. madfloridian Dec 2014 #2
No, but who knows, many of the Latin American dictators and their sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #4
They can not openly travel outside of the United States of America Iliyah Dec 2014 #47
Yes, that is true. And I do believe it is a matter of time. The fatal lies sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #51
I have admiration for Col Wilkerson. madfloridian Dec 2014 #56
Maybe the next Warren Administration will prosecute. tecelote Dec 2014 #26
Kick and Highly Rec! adirondacker Dec 2014 #3
John Yoo said it's OK to crush a child's testicles, if the president says so. Octafish Dec 2014 #5
hey! you criminalize policy differences, and next thing you know the GOP will start being MEAN! MisterP Dec 2014 #8
Hey, he's a "patriot" who was under "pressure". Scuba Dec 2014 #13
John Yoo would have loved Nazi Germany. However, they probably wouldn't rhett o rick Dec 2014 #40
OMG he didn't really say that, did he? whathehell Dec 2014 #43
Yoo so stated for the record. Octafish Dec 2014 #46
Wow! That man is a monster! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #52
IIRC Obama persuaded Spain not to prosecute the architects of torture. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #6
Thanks for link. Did not realize that. madfloridian Dec 2014 #17
Whatta guy! hifiguy Dec 2014 #21
And he called the torturers "patriots". cui bono Dec 2014 #48
Save it for the [president of the tribunal, professor Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #7
Video John Yoo CNN...says they were acting outside orders. Baloney I say. madfloridian Dec 2014 #9
Tonight one of the guests on MSNBC referred to Yoo as a "political hack," which .... Hekate Dec 2014 #10
He must really have a cruel streak. madfloridian Dec 2014 #11
We all have meaness within us heaven05 Dec 2014 #38
Yes, what is his background?...Was there some recognizable path to his fascism? whathehell Dec 2014 #44
... napkinz Dec 2014 #12
That is just sickening. madfloridian Dec 2014 #23
Yoo should be disbarred Gothmog Dec 2014 #14
Oops. I thought you said "disballed". Shame on me. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #41
Yoo is a disgrace to the Bar Gothmog Dec 2014 #55
Fuck Yoo hootinholler Dec 2014 #15
K&R liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #16
Here is more about the groups calling for his firing from Berkeley. madfloridian Dec 2014 #18
They should go after the foreign programs....particularly those in countries msanthrope Dec 2014 #19
Yoo should never see anything but the walls of a cell. hifiguy Dec 2014 #20
I recommend that none of them leave the country. I suspect the international criminal court may not OregonBlue Dec 2014 #22
What is wrong with Berkley? I think they need another revolution. jwirr Dec 2014 #24
Yoo claims the torture produced good results. Attacks Feinstein. madfloridian Dec 2014 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #27
Big thank you, WillyT madfloridian Dec 2014 #28
Sad that Berkeley keeps this war criminal. Stanford keeps Condoliar too. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #29
They are of the power class that is never held accountable. madfloridian Dec 2014 #32
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #30
What would it take to get him deported? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #31
If he is convicted of a felony, that might do it! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #53
There's got to be an easier way. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #54
this guy should not be allowed to slip thru the cracks olddots Dec 2014 #33
.... madfloridian Dec 2014 #34
Or a short time SwankyXomb Dec 2014 #49
Another traitor. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #35
Hey law students! Boycott the fucker's classes! Divernan Dec 2014 #36
And he was rewarded with locks Dec 2014 #37
Yeah sure, the report was partisan, irresponsible, shameless, blah blah blah.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #39
John Yoo is a war criminal. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #42
Thank you. Thespian2 Dec 2014 #45
K & R! xocet Dec 2014 #50
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