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Marr

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38. I don't think it's as black and white as you're suggesting. From my perspective--

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 06:21 PM

Dec 2014

that particular argument has liberals on one side decrying the fact that the president minimized the crime of torture for political expediency, and party loyalists on the other attempting to re-frame the argument into a cartoonish strawman; that Obama is accused of 'praising torture'.

It's right for liberals to make noise about the political establishment just 'moving on' from the torture issue without addressing it, and by addressing it, I mean legal proceedings against the people who instituted these illegal policies and the people who carried them out. That is not 'climbing onto a high horse and pontificating'.

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This "Patriots" argument is embarrassing to watch [View all] Californeeway Dec 2014 OP

Excellent post. Thank you. nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #1

I've always thought that the problem was that Dems argue because they think for themselves. tecelote Dec 2014 #2

Solution: Indict and try the torturers and their bosses. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #3

At least condemn their actions. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #44

It's a message board. bigwillq Dec 2014 #4

You can be embarrassed all you want. I don't care. I am proud to be a liberal and proud that some liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #5

+ 100000000 Aerows Dec 2014 #8

Except that's not what the OP is complaining about. Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #11

When he used the words patriots he was explaining why he didn't think we should prosecute so liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #12

And what apparently angered the OP Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #16

Well the OP can feel however he/she wants. Both points about policy and the words used to justify liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #17

Thank you. This needed to be said. So much childishness here. It's truly lamp_shade Dec 2014 #6

If you don't like DU, the door is that way ----> Aerows Dec 2014 #7

I bet you have a lot of hobbies Skittles Dec 2014 #9

Love that. ^^^ Saving for future use. tblue Dec 2014 #33

Is this going to be the new headliner talking points thread? woo me with science Dec 2014 #10

It's popular to hate the President at DU. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #13

No Aerows Dec 2014 #15

It's easy to dismiss people that have critical thinking skills as haters. Rex Dec 2014 #20

Obama is the Prosecuter In Chief? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #34

Oh, so the Attorney General Aerows Dec 2014 #35

Because he has no influence over who his Department of Justice prosecutes? liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #36

Ever heard of a Special Prosecutor? SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #37

Yeah you can push that meme around DU all you want. Rex Dec 2014 #19

I'm not sure that is true anymore. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #29

And you define anything but blind faith as hate. Democrats don't blindly follow. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #21

witf are you going on about? noiretextatique Dec 2014 #14

He is not liberal if he doesn't understand that Liberal Democrats do not blindly follow. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #22

+1000 eom noiretextatique Dec 2014 #43

Really this has nothing to do with his moral code, this has to do with crime going unpunished. Rex Dec 2014 #18

I agree that the bullcrap about patriots is embarrassing. We have a DEmocratic president rhett o rick Dec 2014 #23

100% BS. nt Logical Dec 2014 #24

Unrec... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #25

You start out okay (sort of) but where you end up is completely wrong. eomer Dec 2014 #26

One should never let some wonky policy issue, like holding war criminals accountable, Maedhros Dec 2014 #27

The point is not that he called them "patriots" but that he didn't prosecute them tularetom Dec 2014 #28

"Bill Clinton with a tan" YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #39

Oh, poppycock. DeSwiss Dec 2014 #30

the left doesn't win elections because it doesn't represent any moneyed faction MisterP Dec 2014 #31

+1 liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #32

I don't think it's as black and white as you're suggesting. From my perspective-- Marr Dec 2014 #38

K & R stevil Dec 2014 #40

well, this proud liberal thinks that what's embarrassing is your OP. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #41

When it comes to torture isn't absolutism okay. The RW is the one currently arguing it isn't Johonny Dec 2014 #42

Most of us on the left are more concerned about torture & not Obama's approval ratings. U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #45