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Legalequilibrium78

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133. Wow!! your argument falls

Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:37 PM

Dec 2014

Pretty stupid and flat out idiotic. George W. Bush succeeded partly because of the shock and magnitude of the tragic Sept.11, 2001 terrorist attack. He and his cohorts ably manipulated the situation i.e. the media, and the massess that Iraq vis-a - vis Saddam was linked with Al Qaeda.

The American public still reeling from such carnage and devastation suspended it's collective critical thinking and questioning the policies of then Pres.Bush by going along with the deception, partly to avenge and seek retribution to what we experienced.

So for you to suggest and imply that Sen.Warren will be able to rally and galvanize the public - including the large swats of right wing voters - you are simply delusional and a cultist of epic proportion. You have suspended critical thinking, and you are simply going with your gut feeling. You are practically giddy at the mere prospect of Sen.Warren may possibly enter to run as President.

But then what happens if she does win? Face with the same intractable political opponents, and probably an even more entrenched political and wealthy elites against her administration. How would she be able to effectively handle a piece of legislation where she does not get 100% of what she wants? Let alone a House that is controlled by the Republicans? How do you square that reality with your fantasy? Politics was and will always be about compromising. None of us who supposedly belong to the same political ideology think the same, we even have large swats of disagreement. For you and your ilk to think that your "Dream" candidate can just ram every uber Liberal piece of legislation is utter lunacy and is not based in reality.

People like you, are the same ones that quit when the going gets tough. When you do not get everything that you want or like within the time line you set. You sulk, incessantly complain and then stays home come midterm election; only to prop up when the next presidential election cycle comes up. Ginning up another dreamy/loopy candidate, coming up with the same bullshit message.

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OBAMA'S STAFF: -We helped elect Barack Obama � now we�re calling on Elizabeth Warren to run in 2016 [View all] AikidoSoul Dec 2014 OP

She can't win PAProgressive28 Dec 2014 #1

There are always obstacles in any campaign... certainly Obama had many... but he won. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #3

I would work my heart out for her, too ProfessorPlum Dec 2014 #5

Where do I sign up? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #53

Me too. pangaia Dec 2014 #93

She doesn't have to win, just run. Just to the primary debates. She can't make it, but I'm sick of genwah Dec 2014 #9

She is a fighter. Just listen to her excellent speeches. The woman is not afraid to put the gloves AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #20

Please don't tell me that her speech is void of real meaning, spirit and a warrior spirit. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #47

That's the spirit rurallib Dec 2014 #24

Yep. genwah Dec 2014 #25

Yeah, GOP-lite. F that bi-partisan bullsh!t. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #37

+1!! CrispyQ Dec 2014 #106

Yes and imagine anyone voting for a black president in 2008 albino65 Dec 2014 #26

any color DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #116

Warren would destroy Romney within 5 minutes of debating 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #27

That's what I was going to say. tecelote Dec 2014 #30

I'm thinking that debate would look something like this Mnpaul Dec 2014 #66

heheheh yes.. Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #105

Bingo! Scuba Dec 2014 #95

I don't think it would take even that long; I give it only 3 minutes. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #101

What? Aldo Leopold Dec 2014 #41

Is that you, Hill? Octafish Dec 2014 #51

I would hesitate to assert that I knew so much more than those who actually were part of the Obama merrily Dec 2014 #52

She can't win because she isn't running, and though there are many who believe she is speaking in still_one Dec 2014 #54

You may have forgotten that many politicians say "no" but end up running. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #55

I just don't think Warren plays the political games of other politicians. Same with Sanders. We still_one Dec 2014 #103

I'm with you. BlueMTexpat Dec 2014 #124

I guess politics is different; but, .... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #99

That is the way I look at it. In addition, I think that Warren is starting to feel quite still_one Dec 2014 #104

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #107

very well put still_one Dec 2014 #110

hehe helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #61

She can win. Fearless Dec 2014 #69

And do you seriously think that Hillary can win? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #73

Thank you, JDPriestly. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #84

+100 NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #119

What they aren't telling you Mnpaul Dec 2014 #88

Repuvlicans T Baggers woud be shaking in their boots and pouting INdemo Dec 2014 #85

did you forget your sarcasm thing? nt magical thyme Dec 2014 #91

Word salad. Scuba Dec 2014 #94

Warren against Romney? There is pretty much nobody who can cancel her out. Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #2

What is "this"? The fact that Obama staffers signed a letter urging her to run? AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #6

Today I was told on DU that Warren is the ONLY Democrat standing up to Wall St when in fact Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #14

She is a more effective speaker than some of the others. She knows the banking and JDPriestly Dec 2014 #76

But, where does she satnd on women's issues, children's rights, abortion rights, foreign policy etc. leftofcool Dec 2014 #79

I'm hoping we will find out soon. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #81

... Scuba Dec 2014 #97

Here ya go.... Scuba Dec 2014 #96

Here's where Senator Warren stands on the issues AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #131

How will she respond when she gets tested by the people who are poking the hot spots of the world? NBachers Dec 2014 #151

It was Dukakis, not Mondale. RBInMaine Dec 2014 #83

and Warren was a Republican from 1991-1994(see #67) Mnpaul Dec 2014 #89

And Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, do you care about that fact? A Simple Game Dec 2014 #100

I file that under Former Smoker Ruby the Liberal Dec 2014 #115

MoveOn lost me too MissDeeds Dec 2014 #23

I am still very cautious at this point, too. woo me with science Dec 2014 #70

Bernie is great. We shall see who runs. Bernie and/or Warren? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #77

You still haven't said what you mean by "this". You say you are "less supportive because of 'this'" AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #10

Jeb you say? He'd make it even more ironic, but any Republican nominee will share with Warren Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #18

Your comparison is narrow. She is not the evil member of any dynasty as is Jeb Bush AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #40

I think Jeb has the best chance of winning..... bobGandolf Dec 2014 #92

I agree. 99Forever Dec 2014 #112

Yeah, those staffers got us a pro Wall St. Trojan Horse. harun Dec 2014 #113

Would you rather have Romney as your president? AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #125

Why do people think she could do more about income inequality as president? loyalsister Dec 2014 #7

She is a special breed. Her behavior and words are consistent. She is highly articulate. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #8

Speculations based on service as a senator are naive loyalsister Dec 2014 #11

We should pay attention to her exact words when she says she "is not running for president". AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #38

lol loyalsister Dec 2014 #63

Well. That sounds very much like the way Hillary thinks. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #78

She was a consistent Republican voter, Nixon through Bush. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #16

At one point I was a registered Republican, and considered myself an "Eisenhower Republican". The AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #22

Before my time... tecelote Dec 2014 #33

This is the period when my parents were Republicans. The Republican Party changed, and so did they. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #50

consistent Republican voter? Mnpaul Dec 2014 #67

Wow. She was Republican until 1994?! SunSeeker Dec 2014 #74

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Mnpaul Dec 2014 #86

So you think its OK that AFTER Reagan destroyed unions she joined the GOP? SunSeeker Dec 2014 #135

And bullshit on your "both parties are the same" meme. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #137

The Democrats haven't been a friend either Mnpaul Dec 2014 #139

OFFS. Why are you on DU if you think Dems aren't "a friend"? SunSeeker Dec 2014 #141

I see the reality in my wallet Mnpaul Dec 2014 #142

Now you're just lying. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #144

Not lying at all Mnpaul Dec 2014 #146

You lied that Dems raised your taxes, in reference to your paycheck. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #149

Careful, you are sounding more like Joe Wilson Mnpaul Dec 2014 #157

"She needs to explain what these conservative fiscal policies are that she likes so much. " AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #132

conservative fiscal policies are not to be confused with Mnpaul Dec 2014 #138

You have either been mislead and believe what you are saying, or you are purposefully planting AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #129

What bills would she pass with a GOP House and Senate? NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #32

Right now they are covering Warren on the major free network news channels. And yes, the MSM AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #34

Lol..what's next she'll usher in a new wave Legalequilibrium78 Dec 2014 #39

As has been said several times Ineeda Dec 2014 #111

Wow are you ever eating up misinformation. Armed with that kind of propahanda you might AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #130

She has a magic wand and to make Congress fall in line. wyldwolf Dec 2014 #17

Presidents have enormous "vocal flexibility" and it comes with a Bully Pulpit AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #126

Wow!! your argument falls Legalequilibrium78 Dec 2014 #133

What is the difference between economic carnage AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #134

Riiiight loyalsister Dec 2014 #140

While accusing Obama supporters of being part of a cult of personality treestar Dec 2014 #127

Rock star quality? AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #136

Kick this baby. Run Elizabeth run!!!!!! AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #12

Bernie Sanders, 2016. woo me with science Dec 2014 #13

Bernie is one of a few I'd rather see than either Warren or Clinton. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #19

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what does the AIDS' epidemic have to do with AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #31

Nothing, but it works as deflection from a real discussion. bahrbearian Dec 2014 #43

I agree, on all points. polichick Dec 2014 #28

I don't find it all that troubling zeemike Dec 2014 #35

Sanders has a lot of experience. Warren has a lot o personal appeal. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #80

I'm not going to be fooled again like I was with Obama. NOVA_Dem Dec 2014 #36

Rich and powerful regimes have been knocked down for centuries in other countries AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #46

I love that Warren fights the banks, but Bernie addresses many issues including liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #48

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #15

This is good news Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #21

I'm in n/t albino65 Dec 2014 #29

This news makes me very happy. Those are good people. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #42

Of course she's been saying she won't...but it won't stop the outcry for a real mother earth Dec 2014 #44

I like the sound of that! Stellar Dec 2014 #45

Wonder why this is not included on the "TRENDING NOW" thread line. Right now I have 69 recs... AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #49

However, as far as we know, she's not running Scootaloo Dec 2014 #56

True! So far only 3 Candidates have made official announcements to run for the 2016 Nomination. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #59

Vermin Supreme is too mainstream for me Scootaloo Dec 2014 #60

A local treasure--he is our very own Emperor Norton n/t eridani Dec 2014 #64

Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #62

WHY do people insist on the idea that we actually have competitive primaries w/ multiple candidates? Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #57

Oh, I'm resistin' it alright... elzenmahn Dec 2014 #65

This really makes me want to not vote for her... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #58

President Obama has NOT been a "disappointment".. these guys know what they're doing. Cha Dec 2014 #68

Not to you, perhaps. To me he's been a bitter disappointment. Scuba Dec 2014 #98

Why? Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #150

Drones, NSA spying, pushing TPP and turning the White House over to Wall Street. Scuba Dec 2014 #153

Sanders/Warren nikto Dec 2014 #71

i like her ALBliberal Dec 2014 #72

K&R'd!!! snot Dec 2014 #75

Warren disavowed that PAC back in August. She doesn't want to confuse donors about a non-existent MADem Dec 2014 #82

I didn't realize 300 people signed that! That's just so great!!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #87

Then she's obviously a corporate DINO, throw her under the bus! IronLionZion Dec 2014 #90

I'd love to see this amazing woman as president, but proReality Dec 2014 #108

classic DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #109

Poor Hillary - she's been preening and primping for years for her entitled place on the throne whereisjustice Dec 2014 #114

Co-Sign.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2014 #117

Warren/Sanders, Sanders/Warren, either one works for me.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #118

What mountain grammy said. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #121

I am TOTALLY on board! joanbarnes Dec 2014 #120

Yes she CAN win. Obama won. We need someone who stands up for us. Hillary does not do that. DesertDiamond Dec 2014 #122

I love Elizabeth. But until Elizabeth herself says BlueMTexpat Dec 2014 #123

Hey Obama's staff - are you gonna get in trouble over this? tularetom Dec 2014 #128

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #143

Wow fadedrose Dec 2014 #145

I have to say, I don't trust this. 2banon Dec 2014 #147

Yeah, same here. It's sad, but... Marr Dec 2014 #148

Exactly. Hints of a shell game setting up. We've seen this before. 2banon Dec 2014 #155

There are no political messiahs BainsBane Dec 2014 #152

Warren says (4 times) she's not running for president Mon December 15, 2014 riversedge Dec 2014 #154

Congrats on 2,000 posts! bigwillq Dec 2014 #159

Good eye. I missed it. riversedge Dec 2014 #160

I wish I could believe electing any Democrat would help Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #156

Don't they know she's not running. I mean, jeez. bigwillq Dec 2014 #158