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truebluegreen

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126. Uh-huh....the right totally saw it that way.

Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:13 PM

Dec 2014

T'was ever thus. FDR was accused of being a socialist, even a communist. And then there's Reagan, 1961, regarding proposed Medicare program:

Reagan warns that if his listeners do not stop the proposed medical program, "behind it will come other government programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country until one day as Norman Thomas said we will wake to find that we have socialism." Under this scenario, Reagan says, "We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."

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I think it's funny that you think anyone besides old white people are terrified of the "Socialism!" label.

ETA: Do you think Hillary Clinton or President Obama or the Third Way / DLC thinks FDR or even LBJ was a "mainstream liberal?" Because that's hilarious.

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Bump PAProgressive28 Dec 2014 #1

I was totally expecting a Hillary ass kissing post. Thanks for the laugh. nt JeffHead Dec 2014 #2

Not I; I was expecting an insult with no foundation nor content rock Dec 2014 #33

I will note... Delver Rootnose Dec 2014 #40

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She would be a proven hypocrite if she does this~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #128

If you saw an insult, perhaps your perception is less than optimal. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #43

thank you, well explained Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #53

And it might do her some good personnally.... daleanime Dec 2014 #54

William Jennings Bryan marym625 Dec 2014 #95

Have to check... daleanime Dec 2014 #106

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and Libya, bvar22 Dec 2014 #138

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Yes! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #3

Double yes! So very true. Poster gets my vote for title header of the year. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #151

She will save the party by running and winning. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #4

much like Obama did. we're so much better off now than we were when he Doctor_J Dec 2014 #7

Yes I think we are better off with Obama. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #9

The country is at least slightly better off, which is a pretty low bar, given Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #76

I think the party is in bad place right now and I think Hillary can bring the party to life. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #94

WE ARE..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #11

the poster was claiming the party is better off now. NO ONE can possibly believe Doctor_J Dec 2014 #14

Yeah...it is poorly written if THAT was what he meant... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #15

THIS is not the Democratic Party RiverLover Dec 2014 #41

Are YOU voting for whomever wins the Democratic Primary? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #44

ABC Anyone but Clinton/Conservative. RiverLover Dec 2014 #47

and you'd be wrong....what conservative Dino...would have this record: VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #49

Yes, we know she loves free trade. LOVES it. Bye-bye American jobs. RiverLover Dec 2014 #51

HA!.....She is multifaceted....like most people.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #60

That really is a private matter. 840high Dec 2014 #57

I bet the Warren publicly is making you nervous. It is called "leadership"! nt Logical Dec 2014 #17

why on earth would I be nervous? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #19

Memory loss? We have had this discussion 10 times. Get checked out. I am tired of sending links. nt Logical Dec 2014 #26

and I keep offering you the opportunity to become a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #27

You did forget. Wow, scary. But explains a lot. nt Logical Dec 2014 #30

I haven't forgotten at all..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #45

LOL, you just flat out forgot. Serious issue. Look into it. nt Logical Dec 2014 #46

Believe whatever you want....I will continue to offer you the opportunity to be a Democrat VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #102

John the Baptist, ladies and gentlemen... nt Union Scribe Dec 2014 #145

If you cannot commit to voting for whom WE select in a Democratic Primary ELECTION... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #156

so now you decide who is and isnt a dem? backwoodsbob Dec 2014 #155

what if Jeb changes to the democrat party? wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #98

We still are at war in the middle east. We still have the NSA spying on all of us. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #68

And Warren would make us safe HOW?- Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #77

Please explain your implication. It's me, I have a hard time with tricky implications. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #79

I'm sorry, I assumed you knew one of the responsibilities of the president is the Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #81

But apparently you don't understand security. If our economy goes bust, it will rhett o rick Dec 2014 #83

I don't understand security, as in security which strives to keep Americans alive? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #89

What was Obama's national security/foreign policy experience in 2008? n/t Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #97

LOL, yes, like 2008. Only Hillary can lose a 30 point lead. nt Logical Dec 2014 #16

I think it was more Obama gained. he ran a great campaign. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #18

How? Warren isn't even thinking about running.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #21

You don't think this week might change her mind? nt Logical Dec 2014 #24

Maybe , maybe not but I would not be surprised to see Warren's numbers go up in the polls. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #28

It might change the mind of some who was INTERESTED IN RUNNING in the first place. brooklynite Dec 2014 #162

She has NEVER said that. Never. Only that she isn't running. NO ONe is. Not even HIllary. RiverLover Dec 2014 #55

She and her ilk are responsible for ruining the party JimDandy Dec 2014 #20

So your saying the pumas won't vote for Hillary? Am I reading that right or wrong? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #22

The PUMAs ended up voting for McCain/Palin...not for Obama. JimDandy Dec 2014 #35

the pumas of 2008 will be different from the ones of 2016. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #38

No, they didn't brooklynite Dec 2014 #161

You misspelled "destroy the party". Odin2005 Dec 2014 #23

Your opinion, not mine. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #25

What does "save the party" mean? I want to save the middle class. Do you think rhett o rick Dec 2014 #66

Well she will have to earn the nominstion. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #67

With the greatest respect hrmjustin, winning isn't worth sacrificing your principles. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #70

I made my peace with her mistakes. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #71

I just said that to a friend.... robinlynne Dec 2014 #5

Hillary talks the talk ... during campaigning but does she walk the walk .. NO YOHABLO Dec 2014 #6

heck, many times hfojvt Dec 2014 #10

It's the very small print which gets us into trouble. Bernie and Warren would be a good supporting Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #8

I was not expecting this!!! Autumn Dec 2014 #12

Lol... Excellent! whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #13

I don't care about saving the 'Democratic' party. SamKnause Dec 2014 #29

Don't you think saving the country would re-vitalize the Democratic Party in the process? Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #31

No, because they would not be acting like, or representing SamKnause Dec 2014 #32

Agree with just about everything said. Perhaps re-phrasing the question might be appropriate, that.. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #34

I do not know. SamKnause Dec 2014 #39

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Marta & I are in too Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #37

If the Democratic Party is to survive and stop being Republican-light it must go Warren's way. EEO Dec 2014 #42

She is showing the leadership. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #73

...jut not the desire to be President. brooklynite Dec 2014 #91

Just not the desire to say she's running when she isn't. No one is. Yet. RiverLover Dec 2014 #99

Yes she can!! RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #48

Too bad Warren doesn't want the job...and wants Hillary to run brooklynite Dec 2014 #50

No sane person wants that job. immoderate Dec 2014 #152

Hillary & Bush In Bed Together billhicks76 Dec 2014 #52

I hope you are not calling all Hillary supporters trolls. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #56

Certainly Not billhicks76 Dec 2014 #58

It will certainly be a an interesting year here on DU. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #59

I get, or rather, understand the sus453 Dec 2014 #61

Bernie Sanders 2016! woo me with science Dec 2014 #62

Bernie the socialists isn't going to win, Sarah Palin could beat him. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #78

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #85

You are really familiar with Bernie, huh, he is an independent. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #88

And he caucuses with WHO? RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #100

Hey, don't accuse me of trolling, it is unacceptable. If you know very much about Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #107

Your concern is noted. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #116

Democrat Socialist?.... paleotn Dec 2014 #139

The average voter doesn't have a Poli Sci degree... brooklynite Dec 2014 #90

False. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #101

"at least a bit socialist"... brooklynite Dec 2014 #108

Liberal in their title too RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #115

A lovely academic argument, which has nothing to do with the real world brooklynite Dec 2014 #124

They just don't understand RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #103

Social Security is a socialist system. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #117

...both programs introduced by mainstream liberals, not socialists brooklynite Dec 2014 #122

Uh-huh....the right totally saw it that way. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #126

But neither LBJ nor FDR put on the Socialist cape... brooklynite Dec 2014 #127

You seem uncommonly fixated on labels, truebluegreen Dec 2014 #129

I'm fixated on getting people elected... brooklynite Dec 2014 #131

So you don't care what people get elected, truebluegreen Dec 2014 #140

Given the choice of a Democrat who agrees with me 100% but CAN'T GET ELECTED... brooklynite Dec 2014 #154

Actually, most of the more progressive candidates held on to their seats truebluegreen Dec 2014 #157

...mostly in safe, progressive States. brooklynite Dec 2014 #160

Nice deflection, truebluegreen Dec 2014 #163

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