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62. No, lesson learned. People are now just pointing out the difference between what was campaigned on

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:19 AM

Dec 2014

and what was done. Is that so freaking hard to understand? People are thinking hey, Hillary seems like just another corporatist, let's see if we can do better, even though a mighty pile of money from Wall Street is currently blocking the way.
Seems to me that, if people were to behave the way you want them to, maybe candidates should not say anything, just show up wearing a jersey with a D or R or G or I or whatever on it. People have a right to complain if what was promised is not what happened. And to at least try and get something different, something better.

Right now it seems like we are being told that of course it take billions to run, and then of course the winner has to please the people who gave (invested) the billions. Why not just make the giant billboard in Times Square like a telethon display, and the candidate with the most money wins, no need to campaign or count votes.

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Who is Obama? [View all] blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 OP

You mean the man from 2008? The arbiter of all things that are hope and change? leftofcool Dec 2014 #1

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Well what Obama should have taught us in the last few days INdemo Dec 2014 #8

If we're going to get Republican policies, we might as well have Republicans to blame them on. Scuba Dec 2014 #91

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I thought I knew who he was/is, but now........................... joshdawg Dec 2014 #3

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K&R ...he's not perfect but he has done alot... SummerSnow Dec 2014 #254

I hear you. SamKnause Dec 2014 #255

just another go-along-to-get-along dem politico. just like the last one, just like the next one KG Dec 2014 #6

Okay I will say it... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #7

So, we should just sit down and shut up and vote for the next corporate candidate, because the GOP djean111 Dec 2014 #10

excuse me yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #12

What choice we had to vote for? Obama was carefully groomed for the spot. djean111 Dec 2014 #19

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Oh, I know exactly what you mean. I believe people are now starting, tho to say hey, let's not just djean111 Dec 2014 #38

People need to groom the next yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #53

No, lesson learned. People are now just pointing out the difference between what was campaigned on djean111 Dec 2014 #62

Well Just because Hilary is running yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #67

That is what is happening now. I participate in a Bernie's Team thing at present. djean111 Dec 2014 #70

Candidates promise a lot of things... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #74

I agree. djean111 Dec 2014 #85

+1 The primary is supposed to be the time we get choices. merrily Dec 2014 #124

Perfectly put. (nt) Albertoo Dec 2014 #42

Why inject realityinto this latest rant ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #26

This has to do with logic. yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #28

But a wolf in sheeps clothing is available. RiverLover Dec 2014 #40

Exactly right. A Trojan horse candidate. woo me with science Dec 2014 #68

Clark Kent IS available. I'm he. ;) (nt) Albertoo Dec 2014 #43

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Is this going to be the Third Way strategy to manage this thread exposing what Obama really is? woo me with science Dec 2014 #51

um... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #77

Not technically, maybe. merrily Dec 2014 #125

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Join the club! All of the black posters here are THIRD WAY, THIRD WAY!! even though 90% of us had Number23 Dec 2014 #174

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Speak for yourself TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #215

lol! Thanks for the permission Number23 Dec 2014 #220

Oh, the irony of that ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #223

The poster declared all black members as accused of Turd Way, I do not resemble that remark and am TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #249

No, permission to speak for me was withdrawn. Hence, the "speak for yourself" TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #250

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Rule 1 on DU of late ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #54

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Yeah, that's it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #188

Some have the luxury of waiting for the perfect candidate, some do not NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #187

I don't even know that it's having the luxury ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #189

Perfect is the wrong word, but I dont think you will find many people who have been the target NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #191

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #194

At this point none helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #87

We are stuck with Obama? yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #92

Care to respond to my post about Democrats adding an amendment to helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #109

California has raised their yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #113

No Republicans want it but they also wanted to roll back Dodd Frank and pass helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #118

Things are working out well in California yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #119

$15.00/hr.?? CountAllVotes Dec 2014 #144

I could have sworn that was in the last eletion yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #173

That's the point. We don't have any real choices. That's the problem. This is not a democracy. 2banon Dec 2014 #184

YOU don't have choices? yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #192

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If we're going to get Republican policies, we might as well have Republicans to blame them on. Scuba Dec 2014 #93

Come on now Scuba... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #98

If we're going to get Republican policies, we might as well have Republicans to blame them on. Scuba Dec 2014 #112

So blaming them is going to do what exactly?? yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #115

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I'm white GummyBearz Dec 2014 #176

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Obama will clearly go down in History in the top half of Presidents. Albertoo Dec 2014 #9

Obama Thespian2 Dec 2014 #22

Obama was a very good president Albertoo Dec 2014 #36

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Don't Thespian2 Dec 2014 #164

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #151

Read Thespian2 Dec 2014 #165

"providing health care for all" vi5 Dec 2014 #80

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"providing health care for all" vi5 Dec 2014 #132

The man who very much wanted to be elected President twice--and was. merrily Dec 2014 #11

Just another Corporate whore. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #13

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What? I don't know what this even means, and yet I'm somehow offended. RiverLover Dec 2014 #18

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #34

OMG what utter BS propaganda. Who is this poster? RiverLover Dec 2014 #49

Okay, you don't want to read ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #60

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Trying to pick a fight? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #69

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... SidDithers Dec 2014 #75

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... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #222

I don't know whether to vomit or giggle manaically at the absurd response you are responding to here Number23 Dec 2014 #208

Jesus FUCKING christ did you just call 1sBlackman a 3rd wayer? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #190

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #225

So it is the children who are the 3rd Way LOL amazing NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #234

I, probably, should retract that comment ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #235

Did this anti 3rd way stuff emerge AFTER Obama was elected? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #236

The first time I heard anything of 3rd-way ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #237

You're not very smart, are you? randome Dec 2014 #21

Oh look - they left us one TBF Dec 2014 #32

A Kenyan changeling, of course. randome Dec 2014 #20

Well, he just pushed through a bill with a Citigroup rider attached RiverLover Dec 2014 #29

You call it a lie, I call it a confrontation with reality. randome Dec 2014 #41

Quick ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #45

They put in at the last minute to sneak it through. They could have taken it out. RiverLover Dec 2014 #52

How could they have taken it out ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #63

Warren(D) and Vitter(R) had amendment to take it out RiverLover Dec 2014 #72

That doesn't answer my question ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #82

I think you just debated against your own point genxlib Dec 2014 #108

Oh baloney. It went through the same process the rest of it did. From AP: ucrdem Dec 2014 #101

What a load. Obama's biggest 2012 donor was U of California, not Goldman Sachs. ucrdem Dec 2014 #94

Split hairs much? Or just lie? here ya go~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #106

GS was not his "biggest donor" in 2008 either. Busted. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #110

Reading comprehension issues? Here are some more, plus open secrets, again. RiverLover Dec 2014 #126

You're posting links to Infowars? Alex Jones' Infowars? ucrdem Dec 2014 #128

This is so predictable. Can't trash CNN or THE Hill or Open Secrets too? They all say same thing. RiverLover Dec 2014 #130

NONE of those support your false claim that GS was "his biggest donor." nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #131

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Obama is what he does. 99Forever Dec 2014 #27

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Not a savior, we want a person who is the same when campaigning as when in office once elected. RiverLover Dec 2014 #58

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He is an innocent abroad... kentuck Dec 2014 #71

It seems to me that he came into office thinking that what everyone wanted was healthcare, amandabeech Dec 2014 #212

Obama is a better president than I thought he'd be gwheezie Dec 2014 #76

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. leeroysphitz Dec 2014 #79

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In the words of Oliver Shea Jackson... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #88

Pure political genius. While we were raving over a ham sandwich he got immigration reform passed ucrdem Dec 2014 #90

He got immigration reform passed? When? I guess I missed that. Scuba Dec 2014 #95

I guess you did. That doesn't surprise me. Here: ucrdem Dec 2014 #97

An EO doesn't qualify as a bill "passed". Scuba Dec 2014 #111

Oh please. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #114

p.s. sorry if I misread your remark but yeah it passed late last night. ucrdem Dec 2014 #170

Was it also passed by the House? Scuba Dec 2014 #182

Yes, on Thursday, but not without a kerfufle: ucrdem Dec 2014 #183

This is the CROmnibus bill. Is this what you call "getting immigration reform passed"? Scuba Dec 2014 #213

Some also said ISIS is our No. 1 priority. ucrdem Dec 2014 #221

You sound like Fox "News". Scuba Dec 2014 #224

"Former" Republicans don't do it for me, sorry. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #232

You mean like Hillary? I don't blame you, she acts like a rethug & supports rethu policies. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #242

I'll give Warren this much credit: she makes HRC look good. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #251

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That's why he has 97.86% approval among liberal Democrats. n/t QC Dec 2014 #127

Umpteenth Dimensional Chess fredamae Dec 2014 #96

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Your President. spanone Dec 2014 #107

Thread. Win. Number23 Dec 2014 #172

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This "naysayer" hasn't missed a vote in 44 years. 99Forever Dec 2014 #123

You also haven't done what the poster recommended ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #238

"for us"????? Did you forget to add the sarcasm thingie? DrDan Dec 2014 #229

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #239

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It may be time to rethink what we have done and where we are going..... democratisphere Dec 2014 #136

We will find out the next two years. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #137

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He can't be an FDR, yet.... steve2470 Dec 2014 #150

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Poor Ted CountAllVotes Dec 2014 #160

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I believe he began with good intentions. Tatiana Dec 2014 #163

He's about who I thought he would be Blue_In_AK Dec 2014 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author doc03 Dec 2014 #181

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I voted for him twice deutsey Dec 2014 #198

Best prez of my lifetime so far. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #204

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MIRT is now censoring? Maybe you should let admin know! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #243

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A footnote. A corporate stooge. Marr Dec 2014 #217

In the eyes of most people. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #231

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