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218. This is helpful -

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:52 PM

Dec 2014

thanks for clarifying as I think it will help folks in the thread see where you are coming from.

The thing with Hillary Clinton is that the reviews are really mixed. People seem to love or hate her. I'm not sure that is helpful in a presidential candidate. I will look up Jack Reed because I had not heard of him. I'm focused on Julian Castro from San Antonio now that I'm not living inside the beltway anymore.

I do agree with your comments on voting - even Engels felt we should participate in "any movement of the working class that, whatever its limitations, would help it to develop its own independent political party." The problem with our current constitution is that we have two strong political parties which are both supporting capitalism. Maybe there could be a way to build an independent socialist party and run it as such, but until then I end up voting for Dems/Greens.

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Hillary Clinton Tells Wall Street She Believes Anti-Wall Street Rhetoric �Foolish� [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 OP

Statements like these from her make me dislike her more and more. Proceed Hillary...n/t monmouth4 Dec 2014 #1

Not that it is invalid, you do know this is from December 2013, right? still_one Dec 2014 #10

So What!! ....... she meant ever word didn't she? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #15

of course. However, this is December 13, and the post implies that it is a direct response to still_one Dec 2014 #26

Since when do politicians PatSeg Dec 2014 #172

No doubt Hillary can explain it away in typical "Third Way" bullshit fashion. Precisely why we need Elizabeth to be our candidate. . . InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #188

Oh yeah, a whole other ERA. Marr Dec 2014 #28

Hillary should about Obama's mantra on war crimes, "We should look forward not back," for her yurbud Dec 2014 #231

So we should completely discount TBF Dec 2014 #51

Absolutely not. It is quite relevant. The only thing that might get confused that this was a direct still_one Dec 2014 #157

With these statements, Hillary has completely disqualified herself as the Democratic candidate as far as I'm concerned. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #190

Well she's not my favorite BUT TBF Dec 2014 #200

I wouldn't care if it was from 30 Years ago. PeoViejo Dec 2014 #89

1 year, 5 years, yes it is relevant toe the present. 30 years, not necessarily. A lot can change, still_one Dec 2014 #156

Yeah, but what's your point? You're not implying that we shouldn't pay attention to what was said, rhett o rick Dec 2014 #126

nope not implying that at all, especially within a one year time frame. Even several years time still_one Dec 2014 #155

Another disqualifying statement by Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #192

Some Prolific Commenters Are Supporting Blackmail billhicks76 Dec 2014 #232

She hasn't changed. 840high Dec 2014 #137

you are absolutely correct still_one Dec 2014 #158

Never will. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #193

Me Too...She's Revolting billhicks76 Dec 2014 #180

Thank you Ms. Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton. 99Forever Dec 2014 #2

As I've said before, a Hillary run is win/lose for her, win/win for the closeupready Dec 2014 #3

good post - I agree with your thinking. n/t. airplaneman Dec 2014 #93

You go Hillary!!!! Autumn Dec 2014 #4

If she doent run it will save her the disappointment of losing INdemo Dec 2014 #204

I hope we can find some better candidates than this. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #5

How hard can it be? Any Dem not in Wall Street's hip pocket would be an improvement. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #199

"We all got into this together." Spoken like a true corporatist, she loves her TPP agreement too. mother earth Dec 2014 #6

+1. The point being we all didn't all get into this together. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #30

Exactly, apologies if I was not clear, I forget it's not always clear to those who still don't get mother earth Dec 2014 #122

Oh, you were perfectly clear enough. I just felt like saying it again. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #125

As we should. mother earth Dec 2014 #141

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. Hillary must think we're awfully stupid. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #195

No, we all didn't get in this together vlyons Dec 2014 #65

asfar as we "got into this together' DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #135

Responsibility? LOL, you know that'll never happen! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #196

Good points. I'm hoping that more and more Dems will wake up. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #107

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #138

If only she would give me a few million it'd make me feel like we are in this together too. L0oniX Dec 2014 #134

Isn't this the point where a long post shows up tularetom Dec 2014 #7

FWIW, it takes 14 "pgdn"s on my machine to get past it. I've counted. Several times. nt Buns_of_Fire Dec 2014 #121

Yeah I have too davidpdx Dec 2014 #136

but blatant fair use violations are not permitted Mnpaul Dec 2014 #166

Next time you see one alert it and watch what happens davidpdx Dec 2014 #170

If DU wants to get sued Mnpaul Dec 2014 #185

Well that is an issue for the owners davidpdx Dec 2014 #189

There is more we can do Mnpaul Dec 2014 #194

While I agree with you davidpdx Dec 2014 #202

Yup, waiting on that silly post in 3, 2, 1... No one is buyin that crap. Hillary is toast before she even gets out of the gate. Bring on Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #197

Please make clear that this is from December 2013. That does not make the point invalid, but it still_one Dec 2014 #8

I didn't miss it. That speech was when I stopped supporting Hillary and decided I will not vote Autumn Dec 2014 #14

and that is valid. It is just that the OP should make it clear since it is worded in present tense still_one Dec 2014 #21

The date is right there for all to see. Those who have paid attention Autumn Dec 2014 #29

Wow paranoid much? Rex Dec 2014 #16

you are full of crap. If you read my post, I said it was a valid criticism. I just said that the still_one Dec 2014 #22

Not paranoid, maybe OCD for posting same message at least 4 times. nt benz380 Dec 2014 #31

Whatever still_one Dec 2014 #41

it could be 2 yrs. ago and she would still be a dino roguevalley Dec 2014 #45

Wow you are paranoid. Rex Dec 2014 #91

Lol still_one Dec 2014 #106

Words matter .....including Hillary's Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #18

I agree. I just suggested to make the date clear still_one Dec 2014 #23

Sure, you have no other motive - TBF Dec 2014 #52

yeah, I have a super secret motive to get ted cruz elected along with clinton. Or perhaps I am just still_one Dec 2014 #161

Nah - you're just a more conservative TBF Dec 2014 #201

First of all I haven't decided who I will vote for in the primaries believe it or not still_one Dec 2014 #212

This is helpful - TBF Dec 2014 #218

As long as you vote that is all that matters. I agree and understand your point, they are well still_one Dec 2014 #225

I admit, I did at first think this was something new, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #84

The reason I brought it up is because the timing coincides with Senator's Warren's speech, and it still_one Dec 2014 #165

Yes, please, Hill, do go on........... and on.... n/t 7wo7rees Dec 2014 #9

If she becomes the nominee, we deserve to have our asses kicked whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #11

Agreed. If we get railroaded into this, we deserve to live in a box under a Nay Dec 2014 #56

Good... take "The Cali Pledge" Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #70

Don't know what that is whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #80

I don't think we really have any choice in the matter. NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #187

Throw in her vote for the Iraq War Broward Dec 2014 #12

Your hero Elizabeth Warren Legalequilibrium78 Dec 2014 #43

BS. Here's a link with her sponsored bills. She walks the talk. She's NOT Obama!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #78

She is a Senator from Legalequilibrium78 Dec 2014 #83

Invalid response. RiverLover Dec 2014 #88

Some of your points are valid, but it should be remembered also that Massachusetts elected romney, still_one Dec 2014 #162

No, no, Hillary was duped! Dontcha know? Another reason we need to elect a more qualified candidate. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #198

Sounds like she's running. joshcryer Dec 2014 #13

No, she's not taking bribes from Wall Street, she's just making the rounds, RiverLover Dec 2014 #17

IF it was about the money she would just continue to give speeches which used to be Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #19

Did you really read this as people being *jealous*? Marr Dec 2014 #33

Yes, it does appear some are very jealous, they continue to rant about anyone who has Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #49

No, its the Big Money that is controlling our "elected reps" & govt policies that is the problem. RiverLover Dec 2014 #60

You know you are talking about Bernie and Warren also, huh? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #61

Do you get tired of doing this every day? RiverLover Dec 2014 #62

As soon as this endless baseless cognitive dissonance ends, yep that's when it will end. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #95

Get with the program, look below, I proved you wrong. Trolls are the ones with RiverLover Dec 2014 #101

Trolls, you must be thinking about the cognitive dissonance of others, I am not a troll, Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #117

To be honest you do appear a bit like you could live comfortably in a "bridge adjacent" environment Dragonfli Dec 2014 #142

I would never go under a bridge, I leave troll invasions to others. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #144

More a candid observation really, I wasn't trying to explain anything - good or otherwise. Dragonfli Dec 2014 #146

Perhaps you could fine a more appropriate method than name calling, it dors not raise one's Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #147

So who do you recommend to run for president, since you think AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #110

Acknowledgement of facts oa everyone's part is good. Anyone who has the qualifications to be in the Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #119

Can you supply links Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #64

They don't take contributions from banks. Hillary does. Here's alist and a link for ya~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #66

And here's a list of Elizabeth Warren donors~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #67

Great links, RiverLover! Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #74

I'm glad you didn't mind me jumping in KG!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #76

RiverLover you are a jewel! Thank you for this documentation. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #111

Warren admirs her Wall Street connections. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #115

The cash that Goldman-Sachs gave to H. Clinton-Sachs went directly into her pocket. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #130

Do you have a job? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #152

H. Clinton takes money from corporations to build her personal wealth. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #171

Do you have or have you ever had a job? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #174

Why don't you make a statement instead of trying to manipulate me with silly questions? rhett o rick Dec 2014 #216

This seems to be a really hard question for you to answer. You are using a filibuster Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #217

It isn't much of a discussion if you only ask questions. Are you afraid to lay out your opinions? nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #220

Well, if you can't answer the question I can conclude you may not know the value of work and the Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #221

See how easy that was. We got to your point w/o me having answer a bunch of inane questions. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #222

Then if you was not paid for your work (if any) we should resent the amount you received. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #223

Your rationalization is becoming irrational. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #227

I was finding your rational somewhat strange when you complain about Hillary being Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #228

On the other hand Here is Hillary's list of Contibutors from her 2008 primary INdemo Dec 2014 #209

Here you are, now let's stop this war, it does not build the DNC. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #113

A link to Karl Rove's Super PAC? Really?? Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #123

Karl Rove's Super PAC knows all about the "war" he or she is talking about. delrem Dec 2014 #186

Someone keyed her in that blatantly taking bribes before and election doesn't sit rhett o rick Dec 2014 #128

Seems like Wall St. is trying to destroy the Democratic party from within corkhead Dec 2014 #20

No, the Democrats have been doing that quite well by themselves for years. still_one Dec 2014 #163

So, Clinton Believes "We're" Foolish? fredamae Dec 2014 #24

It would be very hard for me to vote for someone who called my political beliefs foolish. nt stillwaiting Dec 2014 #108

This is how Hillary makes supporting her like voting for your boss BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #25

Oh Sure, except where is the quote I can't find it BootinUp Dec 2014 #112

Yeah.... what he said. Jeez... that's exactly how I saw it when she was a candidate. AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #116

Sounds like something Mitt Romney might say. undeterred Dec 2014 #27

She's triangulating him in advance. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #37

I think everyone who hates HRC should follow Cali's committed pledge... Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #32

If she's the nominee Robbins Dec 2014 #42

I hope no one else thinks like you. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #57

I hope a lot of black people run for office in MO in 2016. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #104

so the only issue on a ballot in Missouri is the presidential election. That makes a lot of sense still_one Dec 2014 #167

So the actual quote is not included in the OP treestar Dec 2014 #34

Truthiness in reporting. onehandle Dec 2014 #40

No regulations from me, guys! Continue to steal and crash the economy! Nudge nudge wink wink chrisa Dec 2014 #35

We will continue to lose to Republicans if we are essentially the same as they are, Zorra Dec 2014 #36

This is why Robbins Dec 2014 #38

Nope,no doifference at all; except ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #211

After reading this, Hillary has lost my vote for good. TRoN33 Dec 2014 #39

Year old links and 'news.' nt onehandle Dec 2014 #44

So she doesn't believe this anymore? ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #54

I can't call her a sell out Faux pas Dec 2014 #46

Well -- that rips it. OldRedneck Dec 2014 #47

Bravo! Oilwellian Dec 2014 #94

Your post made my day and made me laugh heartily AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #118

Awesome bumper stickers!! Those are really great. RiverLover Dec 2014 #191

And is anyone surprised? LongTomH Dec 2014 #48

Welcome to the cesspool of malice and mendacity gregcrawford Dec 2014 #50

Love the Armani part AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #120

BRAVO, sir, bravo!!! hifiguy Dec 2014 #124

On some issues, no question about it, but to ignore issues of women's right differences, civil still_one Dec 2014 #160

Spot on.... paleotn Dec 2014 #210

When progressives criticize Hillary = BAD! When Hillary attacks progressives: Not a problem! ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #53

HRC - The Progressive Candidate For The 1% cantbeserious Dec 2014 #55

We should stop beating up Wall Street bankers albino65 Dec 2014 #58

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2014 #59

She knows which side her bread is buttered on vlyons Dec 2014 #63

And people wonder why liberals don't want to support her. Lol. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #68

Under no circumstances will I EVER hifiguy Dec 2014 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #71

Recommend...With all her New Money from Wall Street KoKo Dec 2014 #72

I bought this woman's books proReality Dec 2014 #73

Foolish is what you call your opponent randr Dec 2014 #75

she's losing me barbtries Dec 2014 #77

A huge problem is cross ownership of stocks. Trillo Dec 2014 #79

Clintons = the 1% blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #81

Clintons = Top 1/100th of the 1% nikto Dec 2014 #184

She thinks you have to ask permission from Wall Street to run. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #82

Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders for President cer7711 Dec 2014 #85

And people here wonder why some of us cannot bring ourselves to support her. AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #86

She is disgusting. LittleBlue Dec 2014 #87

I will never understand what motivates Hillary Clinton. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #90

What motivates her is hifiguy Dec 2014 #98

But, as I say, she could make a lot more in the private sector. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #150

After you believe you have enough money it becomes a matter of power. L0oniX Dec 2014 #149

What power is there in being a tool? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #151

But this article is from last year derp. Rex Dec 2014 #92

�Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.� Santayana Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #96

Derpy would never say anything that foolish. hifiguy Dec 2014 #102

Where is the actual quote from her? I do not accept characterizations of anyone's words. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #97

It's a paraphrase of a 2013 Politico paraphrase "according to accounts offered by several attendees" ucrdem Dec 2014 #100

White ... the one reporter worked for 9 years Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #103

So it not really a quote and it is not current, now I'm up to date. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #109

I've got enough history and facts with the Clintons Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #114

...so this is just more Union Scribe Dec 2014 #148

yes, I do not see a direct quote in this year old Article. riversedge Dec 2014 #153

She's a peach. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #99

Look what Hill's husband did to undermine public protection from bankers gambling with public money AikidoSoul Dec 2014 #105

"Bill Clinton did more to deregulate Wall Street than Ronald Reagan." That is a sad fact. RiverLover Dec 2014 #131

It probably is foolish Turbineguy Dec 2014 #127

Translation: Move along nothing to see here! Initech Dec 2014 #129

How Depressing Dirty Socialist Dec 2014 #132

Gee... what a surprise. Kip Humphrey Dec 2014 #133

She's bought just like her husband.. sendero Dec 2014 #139

+1 840high Dec 2014 #140

Kind of a 47% type comment. JEB Dec 2014 #143

To the Hillary supporters DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #145

Wall Street Kissups dburner2 Dec 2014 #154

Did anybody notice creeksneakers2 Dec 2014 #159

Obama Robbins Dec 2014 #164

I'd rather see Bill Richardson run Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #168

Hillary stands as ready as Bush and Romney to fuck over the middle class, sending more jobs to Asia whereisjustice Dec 2014 #169

She can go ahead and NOT run for president. Quantess Dec 2014 #173

Who is this fucking WE she is talking about... Delver Rootnose Dec 2014 #175

unlike sanders, hillary doesn't believe that she can win on the basis of strong popular support. redruddyred Dec 2014 #176

She was born a zentrum Dec 2014 #177

I'd like to disagree with her strongly. WE did NOT all 'get into this mess together' sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #178

What could Hillary say? Albertoo Dec 2014 #179

So you favor the "take it slow" approach. Like we've been doing for the last 30 years rhett o rick Dec 2014 #215

Mike Lux, who used to work with Hillary, points out the problem: jtuck004 Dec 2014 #181

SO THE RETHUGS WILL HAVE A BAGGER APPROVED CANDIDATE, AND THE HILL IS GOP NORMAL... drynberg Dec 2014 #182

Hillary is dead to me nikto Dec 2014 #183

Ok DU Hillary supporters,do you still want Hillary as the nominee.? INdemo Dec 2014 #203

My question is, Madmiddle Dec 2014 #205

Why do you think she leads everyone by 30% in the polls?? kentuck Dec 2014 #206

Final decision. No vote from me for HC. n/t Paper Roses Dec 2014 #207

No we did NOT turbinetree Dec 2014 #208

Hillary, you are your worst enemy fadedrose Dec 2014 #213

Tuzla Annie does Wall Street.... Indepatriot Dec 2014 #214

kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #219

She is such an opportunist JonLP24 Dec 2014 #224

One of my problems with HRC Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #226

which is why.. Howler Dec 2014 #229

Does she think the rest of us aren't paying any attention? yurbud Dec 2014 #230