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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
17. The population in general will suffer from this bill AND from the precedent.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:39 AM
Dec 2014

The population in general, as taxpayers, will be on the hook for the next bailout.

If you persist in not caring at all about "banking shit" (as if most people were somehow walled off from it), you should still bear in mind the other obnoxious provisions of the bill, such as the one facilitating the Kochs' control over future elections, or the one partially abrogating the self-government of an entire city (Washington, D.C.).

By "population in general" you probably mean the human population, but some of us humans also care about the provision that will threaten species extinction, even if the (immediate) victims are nonhumans.

But let's just say that you don't care in the slightest about any of that, and your concern is solely for the ACA and so on. You still haven't responded to my point about the precedent. To wit: Citigroup and the Kochs and anti-marijuana crusaders wanted specific laws passed, but they knew Obama would veto the bills. Their Republican lackeys in Congress therefore included those provisions in an omnibus bill, trying to get around the veto problem by threatening a government shutdown. It worked. They have established the precedent that simple majorities in each chamber, too weak to override a veto, can nevertheless ram through something that Obama opposes, by using the politics of extortion.

Okay, so what happens at the next deadline (September, I think), when the anti-ACA crusaders say: "In 2014, the House voted to repeal Obamacare, but it died in the Senate. In 2015, with majorities in both chambers, we passed a repeal bill but Obama vetoed it (or we didn't even bother trying because we knew a veto loomed). Now, however, the government is about to run out of money again. We want repeal attached to the continuing resolution. We want you to do for us what you did for other interest groups in the Republican Party." How, exactly, is the Republican leadership supposed to respond? Are they supposed to say that it would be wrong to attach such unrelated provisions to a necessary continuing resolution? Obviously, they can't.

Obama will need to make a stand sooner or later or his final two years in office will be largely ceremonial. Given that, he should have made that stand sooner rather than later.

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Right now, I'm a Hillary supporter. MohRokTah Dec 2014 #1
She good, but she was not successful at all yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #7
Who cares about all this banking stuff? treestar Dec 2014 #2
I care about it, and even more about the precedent of giving in to extortion. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #8
Think of the population in general treestar Dec 2014 #9
Yeah, I know right? That 2008 banking shit didn't hurt ANYBODY...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2014 #10
But Obama supports it and that's all that is needed for some. neverforget Dec 2014 #11
No, you're trying to insult people's intelligence. Cha Dec 2014 #24
The population in general will suffer from this bill AND from the precedent. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #17
They' should've gotten out and voted for Democrats treestar Dec 2014 #33
" The average person could not care less about banking regulations"... tkmorris Dec 2014 #18
And with that, the cell door slammed shut. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #21
And I care about it like millions of others. This banking stuff is the same as the junk they peddled appalachiablue Dec 2014 #15
Thats not going to happen again treestar Dec 2014 #32
It's not going to happen again? You're in the minority. Trillions in unregulated high risk appalachiablue Dec 2014 #34
People who lose every thing when the economy crashes again will care. RiverLover Dec 2014 #30
It won't treestar Dec 2014 #31
The upside to this travesty Ruby the Liberal Dec 2014 #3
4) What now (especially with Repubicans taking full control of Congress)? this one answers itself belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #4
Good question, what are we going to do now. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #5
I am sure you are quite a fan Aerows Dec 2014 #13
Still trying huh. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #16
I'm unclear Aerows Dec 2014 #19
Some people just have to butt in & give their venomous pot shots when others are happy to see Cha Dec 2014 #25
The repealed provision was not yet in effect is thst right? Only one bank had moved the derivative Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #6
Oh, you are back Aerows Dec 2014 #12
a lot anger towards an OP which is pretty neutral JI7 Dec 2014 #14
Projecting and being rude and obnoxious.. Yes, ProSense made an OP. Poster needs to get over herself Cha Dec 2014 #26
Nice to see you, ProSense Hekate Dec 2014 #20
What's the latest update on Snowden? Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #22
I saw this at 4 AM... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #23
Mahalo ProSense.. thank you.. sorry about the obnoxious insulting spews.. looks like that will Cha Dec 2014 #27
K&R ... wish Senator Warren had more power laserhaas Dec 2014 #28
Same here. For all I care she could be called Queen Elizabeth informally. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #35
I'm sure this is the first at many tries to chip away at Dodd-Frank until it is dust davidpdx Dec 2014 #29
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