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H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:12 PM Dec 2014

Let Justice Flow ...... [View all]

This morning, John Yoo appeared on CNN to attempt to deny and justify torture. Yoo is, of course, the primary author of the “legal opinion” that allowed the Cheney-Bush administration to torture individuals they deemed “enemies.” I have found that either watching Yoo on television, or reading his writings, extremely troubling for years.He is an easily-identified enemy of that which I consider Good in our nation.

Yet today, there was a spark of hope -- the hope that this treacherous being will be held responsible for his crimes. Despite the current policy of the Obama administration, there is a possibility -- though small -- that the tide could be turning. It was almost enjoyable to see this smug, self-righteous shithead looking very uncomfortable.

As is well-documented, Yoo was one of Dick Cheney’s lap dogs, who -- when the military and intelligence community was given a green light to torture “suspects,” and they requested legal authority to do what they knew was highly illegal -- took pride in writing an opinion he believed would secure his place in history. For years, Yoo had attacked President Bill Clinton for claiming authority (according to Yoo) that went well beyond that provided for in the US Constitution. From the warmth and comfort of Cheney’s lap, however, Yoo would claim that the Bush administration did not need to be concerned with the Constitution, federal law, international law, or international treaties.

Many here will remember the 2005 debate, between Yoo and Notre Dame law professor Douglas Cassel. In the debate, the following exchange took place:


DC: “If the President deems that he has to torture someone, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?”

JY: “No treaty.”

DC: “Also no law by Congress -- that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo?”

JY: “I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.”


Yoo and fellow Cheney lap-dod David Addington would testify before Congress on the topic of torture in June, 2008. That meeting became ugly at times, as Yoo and Addington flaunted their knowledge that there was no plan to ever hold them responsible for their crimes. The Cheney-Bush era was a dark time in this land -- hell, on this planet -- and those here on this forum will remember the disappointment that the pair were assured, before the ‘08 election, that they were golden.

This morning, Yoo seemed a tad bit less cocky. When asked directly about some of the information documented in the Senate report, he claimed that this was a questionable source -- that the committee that investigated was dominated by Democrats, and that thus, any claims made were not “proven.” When confronted with the fact that the information was documented by CI records (and not simply democratic guesses), Yoo went from babbling about a lackof witness testimony to saying that “if any of those things happened,” it went beyond the law of the land.

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This afternoon/evening, I was at a high school girls basketball tournament. I sat with a couple, both doctors, as their daughter was engaged in the finals of the junior varsity contest -- they won! -- and we were discussing politics. The husband is my oldest brother’s age, and was active in the anti-war efforts of the 1960s and early ‘70s.

His younger sister was in the “Weather Underground.” Some of their social group went to prison for some of the crazy shit they did back then. Two of my uncles, who were legendary detectives, had busted them back in the day, and so she was always hostile to me, simply because of my last name. So I was surprised to learn that, when this guy moved back east after living in California for decades, she had spoken highly of me in terms of socio-political activism.

This fellow was not only outraged by the Senate’s releasing part of their investigation on torture, but also feeling that our nation has become so corrupt that it cannot be set on the right path. He expressed his frustration that, despite so many technologies (such as the internet), people are less organized today than they were 40 years ago. It would be accurate to say that he voiced the combined hopelessness and helplessness that defines so many Good People’s outlook today.

I, of course, disagreed with him. Respectfully. I understand and appreciate exactly why so many people think and feel what he thinks and feels.

And so it began: this gentleman began asking me questions, to see if I was familiar with a wide range of issues and theories that have influenced him. I think he was surprised that I am very familiar with literally every bit of the esoteric radical thought that influenced his generation. So much so, that he invited me and my daughter to his home after the games. He had a couple of friends coming over, and he said they would “find (me) fascinating.“ I explained that, while I’d love to continue the conversation, there were several boxing cards on television, and that I had guests coming over. (He laughed and said he hadn’t associated me with my family’s addiction to what he considers a brutal sport.)

His daughter, in the 9th grade, looks up to my daughter, a senior. She asked her parents if she could stay to watch my girl play? They said that, with company expected, they couldn’t; more, she wouldn’t have transportation. (She’s a “transfer” student from another town in another county.) So I said that she could get a ride with my daughter and I. Some day soon, we’d continue our conversation …..

The last topic we had discussed was the Nation of Islam, and specifically Minister Malcolm X. That got me thinking about one of the messages that remained consistent throughout Malcolm’s career -- which, although being short, covered a lot of territory associated with individual human evolution.

Someone’s been lying to you and I. In fact, a whole lotta people have been lying to us. Most of them are actually parroting a lie they believe, but it’s still a lie. And a few of them have been purposely lying to us.

That first group is afraid of the truth. They are scared of their best potential. Now that’s important for us to fully understand : most people are afraid of their best potential as human beings (which includes as “citizens”).

That very few also fear the truth. They hate the truth. And they fear that if you learn the truth -- if you and I learn the Truth -- it will bring forth our better potential. And maybe even our best potential as citizens.

As I view things in the context of “systems,” I’d say that our society is not unlike a large high school classroom. A shithead like Yoo, Cheney, and/or Bush are simply the kids we couldn’t stand, and wanted nothing to do with. They were convinced they were “superior,” simply because of their family’s economic status. They acted as if our lives were insignificant, and of no value. And they expected us to accept their view, and submit to their rule.

By no coincidence, these are that minority -- say, the 1% -- who continue to lie to you and I. They want us to believe that there is nothing that we can do alter the course they have determined for everyone else. The path that creates comfort for their ilk, and causes suffering for us. I’m guessing that you can remember the one-percenters from your high school. I surely remember those from my grade.

Two cousins, from the “family” that runs one of the biggest energy corporations in the northeast. I had spoken on DU last week about one’s “secret meeting” with Senator Clinton in Sidney. When I began speaking out against hydro racking a few years back, they had the audacity to try to hire me as their corporation’s “environmental consultant.”

No, that wasn’t going to happen. I will not submit to the John Yoo-types. I will not be bought by anyone. And I will not be silenced. In fact, I’m going to continue to speak out, and encourage others to re-evaluate the current system. I agree 100% with the doctor I sat near: things are actually far worse today, than they were in 1968. Our nation is being severely damaged, and I’m not talking about foreign enemies. No, it’s those kids we couldn’t stand in high school.

Let’s get back to organizing our classmates. Let’s get working on having the shitheads facing some consequences for their vile behavior. Let’s regain our Power.

Thank you for reading this.
H2O Man

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Let Justice Flow ...... [View all] H2O Man Dec 2014 OP
+ a million. mmonk Dec 2014 #1
Thanks a million! H2O Man Dec 2014 #16
... napkinz Dec 2014 #2
Thanks for this! H2O Man Dec 2014 #17
he's on THE LIST ... napkinz Dec 2014 #23
Thanks for the link. Very useful to share with the uninformed . . . Journeyman Dec 2014 #26
That man is monster. All the more so because he attempts to cloak his sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #20
That "gang of six" H2O Man Dec 2014 #49
I believe in redemption also, but these people, and I would add some more, though sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #77
k&r... spanone Dec 2014 #3
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2014 #18
you're welcome. spanone Dec 2014 #19
Primarily working outside the system appears to me to be our only option. Zorra Dec 2014 #4
Refuse to participate. Hit the rich where they listen, their money stream. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #6
Refuse to participate. Hit the rich where they listen, their money stream. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #7
What an excellent post, Zorra. I wanted to highlight a few things, but people sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #21
Very interesting, thoughtful response! H2O Man Dec 2014 #24
I agree with all of that. Having an effective "organization" in place and accurately anticipating Zorra Dec 2014 #60
I agree with this completely as it was more than obvious how frightened they sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #68
Great points. H2O Man Dec 2014 #69
The MSM could not tolerate the 'no leader' concept. One of the reasons why sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #70
Excellent post, needs to be it's own OP. :) 2banon Dec 2014 #37
Definitely! H2O Man Dec 2014 #50
I make it a point, my dear H20 Man, to always read what you have to say... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #5
Ain't dat da trut. malthaussen Dec 2014 #12
Well, thank you! H2O Man Dec 2014 #28
They, the uber-rich, are working very very hard at promoting the lie that they are not the ones Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #8
Right. H2O Man Dec 2014 #29
But we cannot move away from the problem. The R.E. are like invasive kudzu, they invade everywhere Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #30
Exactly! H2O Man Dec 2014 #32
You, H2O Man, are so lucky to have children who listen to you and are willing to pick up the torch. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #43
, blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2014 #33
Right on Pat. woofless Dec 2014 #10
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2014 #34
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #11
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2014 #35
Thank you, H2O Man Thespian2 Dec 2014 #13
Right. H2O Man Dec 2014 #36
Again Thespian2 Dec 2014 #47
Prosecute ALL War Criminals!! AzDar Dec 2014 #14
I agree. H2O Man Dec 2014 #39
Kick! Rec! BobbyBoring Dec 2014 #15
That was the H2O Man Dec 2014 #44
Thank you, H20 Man for grokking the infinite potential of each human being. Octafish Dec 2014 #22
I was lucky H2O Man Dec 2014 #45
Question Authority voteearlyvoteoften Dec 2014 #25
Right! H2O Man Dec 2014 #51
Beautiful quote. He appears to have been an amazing man. You were fortunate to have known sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #78
Another great post from one of DU's finest posters. Thanks H2O Man. Scuba Dec 2014 #27
Thank you very much! H2O Man Dec 2014 #52
'One of DU's finest posters'! I remember when I first came here, H20 Man sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #79
Thanks sabrina. You're another of our finest. Scuba Dec 2014 #81
Damn, you can write. riqster Dec 2014 #31
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2014 #53
Great Post, H2O Man, what happened with the case against that bad cop? Did the judge let him post 2banon Dec 2014 #38
No bail. H2O Man Dec 2014 #54
interesting, do you ya think the atty was tipped him off regarding demands to deny bail? 2banon Dec 2014 #75
a most heartfelt k and r niyad Dec 2014 #40
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2014 #55
I am a feeling that in years to come all these people responsible for sammy750 Dec 2014 #41
I sure hope so. H2O Man Dec 2014 #57
K&R shanti Dec 2014 #42
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2014 #58
You so rock, sir. byronius Dec 2014 #46
I am glad H2O Man Dec 2014 #59
What Should Be Done? Beowulf42 Dec 2014 #48
That's both a H2O Man Dec 2014 #63
Thank you for this... rosesaylavee Dec 2014 #56
Good! H2O Man Dec 2014 #64
... rosesaylavee Dec 2014 #82
I'm kicking this, and hoping someday John Yoo gets his butt kicked. Thank you, H2O Man Hekate Dec 2014 #61
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2014 #65
Torture and war crimes have been around for a long but the advocates of torture in America are unique gordianot Dec 2014 #62
Interesting. H2O Man Dec 2014 #66
K & R Liberal_Dog Dec 2014 #67
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2014 #72
Yoo is horrible underpants Dec 2014 #71
I agree! H2O Man Dec 2014 #73
K&R!!!!!!!!!!! burrowowl Dec 2014 #74
Didn't read it. calimary Dec 2014 #76
K&R! G_j Dec 2014 #80
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