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DonCoquixote

(13,956 posts) Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:00 PM Dec 2014

Why are some people so eager to kill the idea Warren might run? [View all]

Now, you see people bring up OPS that say "liz said she will not run, deal with it!" Granted, Hillary herself has not delcared she will run, and when asked about 2008, she said she would not run, and she did. But why is DU so dedicated to the idea that Liz will not run?

The fact is, the Hillary supporters already had an experience where people opened the package, and did not like what they were being fed. There are many who are still angry, especially as frankly they felt it was their "turn." Now, the idea of Turn is ill defined; is it a generational thing? Is the idea of a turn somethign to base the presidency on? Then of course, she ran a campaign that was awful, gaffe ridden, where Bill Clinton reminded people that he loves to run his mouth, at a moment where he needed to let Hillary get some limelight. Then she was sec of state, where she pretty much ran over the peace crowd, ensuring that we went to both Syria and Libya.

The point is, Hillary supporters know there is a lot that many people do not like, and that they will only support her if it is the only choice between her and a GOP slime. Are Hillary supporters so scared that people cannpot wilingly take Hillary that she must be inevitable?

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Why are some people so eager to kill the idea Warren might run? [View all] DonCoquixote Dec 2014 OP

"those people"....you call many....are actually a minority.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #1

The only Dems who do not support Hillary are here on DU leftofcool Dec 2014 #4

wrong both times reddread Dec 2014 #11

You might want to take a look at the latest polls. leftofcool Dec 2014 #52

Uh wrong...I happen to know for a fact WOMEN who normally vote Republican are considering VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #68

Well, that's almost certainly not true Recursion Dec 2014 #74

I doubt it and even so she will gain with the female vote. leftofcool Dec 2014 #107

Semantics - most Democrats do support her - but I suspect many Democrats would prefer NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #5

YOU would suspect wrong... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #69

You clearly can't read. I was referring to my friends and family. Keep trying, though. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #82

As more Dems enter the race, numbers will change. morningfog Dec 2014 #21

65% dude.....she leads her nearest challenger by 55%!!! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #70

You'll see. I guarantee you that come Jan. 2016 her lead will be nowhere near that. morningfog Dec 2014 #77

Nate Silver disagrees with you.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #78

That article does not contradict what I said. Nor was it written by Nate Silver. morningfog Dec 2014 #80

its 538....and YES it does... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #81

You are the one suggesting that Clinton will waltz into the primary with a 55 point lead. morningfog Dec 2014 #83

True...but how strongly? It could be that Hillary's support is very wide, but razorman Dec 2014 #63

Projection! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #71

One could also ask why some people are so eager to claim she will run. TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #2

That makes the point how? DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #8

What does that have to do with the question asked? Renew Deal Dec 2014 #41

I'm sure different folks have different reasons, but I'd think Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #3

I can agree with that DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #6

+1 Scuba Dec 2014 #7

I'd love for her to run. MohRokTah Dec 2014 #9

we do not know that DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #10

He has stated emphatically, she is not running for president. MohRokTah Dec 2014 #18

There has to be more than 20+ years of name-recognition, which is why she's popular now arcane1 Dec 2014 #29

Not a speech. moondust Dec 2014 #12

I'll be there! bootjackyl Dec 2014 #13

Cool. moondust Dec 2014 #14

She's not scheduled to be there, though. eom MohRokTah Dec 2014 #17

I can't make that meeting Tashca Dec 2014 #42

My issues with EW is that she has not convinced yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #15

Fail. Kingofalldems Dec 2014 #19

How so? Renew Deal Dec 2014 #43

And that is a big deal. Governing means convincing the legislative branch to pass your agenda stevenleser Dec 2014 #26

i don't support Hillary, i lean more Biden or Sanders, but i think because it's just not backed up JI7 Dec 2014 #16

because Robbins Dec 2014 #20

Because she said so, get over it. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #22

Yeah, well, really, now, what would she know about that? struggle4progress Dec 2014 #50

Show me where Hillary supporters are trying to kill the idea of her running. William769 Dec 2014 #23

It's not about Hillary or Liz the way I see it. It is a stifling of an uncomfortable discussion. Autumn Dec 2014 #24

Opposites? They are both rated the same on the chart, this opposite of the same would not be Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #28

Um, yeah, about that talking point? They have less in common than you think Electric Monk Dec 2014 #40

Here is a link to Hillary and Elizabeth on the issues, go to the end of the links and you Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #46

For me the issue is people wanting to play the "tense" game justiceischeap Dec 2014 #25

Warren has never been cagey. Everytime she has been asked she has firmly stated she is not running. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #27

Hillary is ready for the primary, any candidate who wants to throw their hat in the ring Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #30

I would prefer it if she was running Kalidurga Dec 2014 #31

Few are more eager to kill the idea that Warren might run, than Warren herself. misterhighwasted Dec 2014 #32

"people opened the package, and did not like what they were being fed" brooklynite Dec 2014 #33

I think that you meant 2008, but we got the point. Beacool Dec 2014 #45

Excellent Post! leftofcool Dec 2014 #57

2018 maqy be a typo DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #60

The only negative I see from all this Warren talk madville Dec 2014 #34

I think Senator Warren can do more where she is. oldandhappy Dec 2014 #35

I think you answered your own question. Renew Deal Dec 2014 #36

I am not eager to kill a Warren candidacy. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #37

I'm not trying to kill anything!! I actually believe Elizabeth Warren on the subject. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #38

Thanks for posting flamebait... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #39

Personally, I'm not afraid of Warren. Beacool Dec 2014 #44

There's really only one reason that I can see. LWolf Dec 2014 #47

Yahtzee. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #49

Warren is no threat to Clinton... Orsino Dec 2014 #61

I'm not... Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #48

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #94

Yep. Them folks are scary (period) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2014 #51

Because Hillary Clinton has never won a seriously contested race and is unlikely to pull it off TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #53

I just had to laugh at your post. Beacool Dec 2014 #75

Are you joking? WhiteTara Dec 2014 #76

That doesn't mean it was brutal or even a serious contest. In fact two is often easier than one. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #99

well, as they say WhiteTara Dec 2014 #105

ummm She said "I'm NOT running" WhiteTara Dec 2014 #54

Yes, the Warren boosters think she's a liar. And they don't respect her. baldguy Dec 2014 #73

Perhaps they're "upset"? OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #55

Why are some people so eager to kill the idea that there are unicorns? brooklynite Dec 2014 #56

unicorns can never be real DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #59

Show us any sign that Warren can be convinced... brooklynite Dec 2014 #91

Because Elizabeth Warren would wipe the floor with Hillary Clinton. Iggo Dec 2014 #58

oh yes AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #62

oh hell yes DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #64

imagine Bernie and Elizabeth AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #66

It would be "cathartic" for a segment of America's left. It would be "grating and alienating" Recursion Dec 2014 #79

while I agree that that is the predictive model AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #84

"Populist" is a style broad enough to also include Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin Recursion Dec 2014 #85

Rand Paul resembles your point. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #88

True, though Perot or Buchanan may be clearer examples Recursion Dec 2014 #92

Like Dean and Kucinich? Renew Deal Dec 2014 #102

Reality worries them a LOT. 99Forever Dec 2014 #65

Hillary supporters want a Democrat elected in 2016 BootinUp Dec 2014 #67

what progressive ideas? DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #96

My reading of her approach to foreign policy especially in the Middle East BootinUp Dec 2014 #100

"Peace, progress, and prosperity" BootinUp Dec 2014 #103

global women�s issues BootinUp Dec 2014 #104

The short answer is "1984". The longer answer is "1988, 1984, 1980, 1972, 1968." Recursion Dec 2014 #72

If the only way to win is to keep going right Robbins Dec 2014 #87

Ms Warren offered to "put an exclamation point" on her denial. Why don't you believer her? mulsh Dec 2014 #86

She "offered" to put an exclamation point on her denial, BUT SHE DIDN'T DO IT, see? brooklynite Dec 2014 #90

Video of a Hillary supporter... MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #89

no, this is a video of Hillary Supporter JI7 Dec 2014 #93

actually, this is one DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #97

both of them are JI7 Dec 2014 #98

Funny. You're going to be a Hillary Supporter in around 15 months Renew Deal Dec 2014 #101

Is this what you are reduced to, infantile little videos? Pathetic..... Beacool Dec 2014 #108

Maybe because she put the kabash on it yet AGAIN on Monday? MADem Dec 2014 #95

Some simply don't want a primary, they want a corination davidpdx Dec 2014 #106