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Bluenorthwest

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42. I think your criticism is unfairly one sided. I like Sanders the best out of those talked about
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:59 AM
Dec 2014

and I don't much care for Hillary, don't hate her like many people here do, but I did not vote for her last time either. Warren, I spent yesterday on the phone and I'm liking her a bit more, but she has not spoken about many important areas of policy and in spite of what others might think, her being part of the Nixon through Reagan Republican movement and Party does require quite of a few different explanations and a clearly visible new direction. She did something recently I very much liked and which is very much the sort of thing people with her history need to be doing to make amends.
So. I say that to say this: I like Warren better than I like her supporters. Same for Clinton. I like candidates that are ready for the fight of their lives. A candidate whose supporters freak out when the candidate is asked valid questions do not help their candidate. The Warren people who attempt to minimize Republican horrors, who actually ask of AIDS was really that bad, they make me very hesitant to vote for her. I also do not at all care for the casual double standards employed.
To ding one candidate for being a 'Goldwater Girl' when she was too young to vote would be fine with me, you bet, I was a Democratic child. But to ding that person for that while waving away 25 or 30 years of full grown, full blown adult Republican loyalty is hypocritical. It just is.
And people who employ double standards create a world of double standards, rules for thee but not for me, I have impunity and you have no protection, I have rights and you do not. It is not a small matter. It is a rhetorical choice that reflects the ethics of those who use it.
I do not think for a moment that Warren would bring up Goldwater to Hillary because Warren voted for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Hillary never voted for Goldwater. But her supporters don't mind doing that. And it is shitty.
If I'd never met a Warren supporter I'd like Warren much, much more. Talking to DC yesterday, I like her more. But 'was AIDS really that bad' is not helping. The dinging the other for a flaw she has to a far greater degree is not helping. One of the reasons AIDS was ignored was that Republicans use a double standard. The people who were dying were not up to the standards they apply to straights and whites. You do the math.

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I am not eloquent enough to make a case for her so I leave that to other Hillary supporters. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #1
Very true. TDale313 Dec 2014 #4
I think a primary will hsppen and we ill make our nominee stronger. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #5
I'm supporting Bernie Sanders as Warren says she's not running. TheNutcracker Dec 2014 #16
I think he will make a strong candidate. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #17
Sanders is solid. He has considered the facts and arrived at his opinions not emotionally JDPriestly Dec 2014 #33
Exactly, and likewise no one is given a pass, the candidates has to earn Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #7
"If they want people to vote for them they have to prove they can beat Hillary and the gop." Scuba Dec 2014 #40
No one thinks that to support Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders leftofcool Dec 2014 #2
If anyone can change people's minds about socialism, Qutzupalotl Dec 2014 #6
Fat Chance and I am one of the poor. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #26
So you hate public highways, the military and parks? Mnpaul Dec 2014 #38
"No one thinks that to support Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders is delusional." Fearless Dec 2014 #29
I think the Republicans have played their "socialism is evil" card with Obama. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #32
What sort of skeletons could Warren have? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #34
I agree. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #3
Fhis is repeated here over and over, have the candidates bring their record to the table, Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #9
What else can she run on? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #14
My guess is that she'll run on assertions of experience, competence, etc. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #18
They are already trying to shed that MSM image. joshcryer Dec 2014 #20
You mean with the country music video? Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #35
Not if if The Senator from Wall Street has his way MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #8
I have probably read more of your post thinking Warren is the only one than others. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #10
Yeah but he doesn't get to decide that. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #11
Wow. Wish I could say I was shocked. TDale313 Dec 2014 #12
The platform is created by primary delegates. joshcryer Dec 2014 #22
So do a decreasing number of DUers. Fearless Dec 2014 #30
I half-way agree with you. cheapdate Dec 2014 #13
Some people think contested primaries result in a candidate that is less likely to win PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #28
That can be true for incumbents at times, but not for candidates who are running for a first JDPriestly Dec 2014 #36
Hillary Clinton 'entitled nominee' = Charlie Crist 'entitled nominee' TheNutcracker Dec 2014 #15
Then just for whom are you going to work? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #27
There will be other options than Hillary Clinton. Fearless Dec 2014 #31
A lot of people work for the public. Doctors, lawyers, teachers and small business owners JDPriestly Dec 2014 #37
This is especially true for young voters who consider the Clintons to be sooo "last century". Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #19
Solid Idea Hockey Dad Dec 2014 #21
Absolutely. TDale313 Dec 2014 #23
"Well, I was BORN in Alberta, so I know we'll be greeted as liberators!" Hockey Dad Dec 2014 #25
I'm a Hillary supporter just basically on the premise that a D must keep the White House. calimary Dec 2014 #24
I support hillary. I want a primary. gwheezie Dec 2014 #39
Liz before Hill Javaman Dec 2014 #41
I think your criticism is unfairly one sided. I like Sanders the best out of those talked about Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #42
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