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1StrongBlackMan

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74. Okay ...

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:46 AM

Dec 2014

But, not COULD be worse;WOULD be worse.

In other words we will agree to give the terrorists 5 prisoners to execute because if we don't they may demand 20.

And when those 20 prisoners ARE executed? ... I know ... It's the price of having a backbone. But at least the terrorists know we mean business.

No the better strategy is (to use your analogy) once the 15 prisoners are released, you work like hell to get back the 5.

In this case, the spending bill funds government through September, funds the ACA and puts Democrats in s great spot for an immigration fight (no immigration bill/no funding for DHS). Now, the rescue plan is Democrats taking advantage of the swell of republican/conservative/teaparty opposition to the derivative push-out roll-back and write individual legislation re-establishing the rule (and removing all the other horrible stuff the spending bill contains; but could only pass as part of the must pass spending bill. All (most) Democrats (and a significant number of republicans) will support the individual legislation, as who, without the cover/lack of transparency of the spending bill, will come out against it?

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Capitulation Is Not Compromise - 'Obama legacy will be viewed as one of sheer ineptitude' [View all] Ykcutnek Dec 2014 OP

people may have been correct when they said he was too "green" for the job belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1

depends on the definition of the job Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #76

Only in the sense that he was beholden too much on Wall Street yurbud Dec 2014 #90

Sad to write, but 'Capitulation' has been the Order of the Day. Octafish Dec 2014 #2

So the solution would be not to vote for Obama for a third term? All righty then..... Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #3

A government shut down and default would have been wiser. Just wait, the GOP will do it in 2016. freshwest Dec 2014 #66

I get the feeling that you are ok with the status quo. Always with the clever(?) comments while rhett o rick Dec 2014 #67

I know for certain that you are not sure what I am sure about.....you got a problem with clever? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #78

You are right of course. I don't know what you are about because you cleverly don't rhett o rick Dec 2014 #80

I bet he was bullied as a child? kentuck Dec 2014 #4

Hillary's supporters have been proven right that Obama was untested, too inexperienced for the job AZ Progressive Dec 2014 #5

It's starting to feel as if his only goal is to satisfy his own ambitions. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #8

I've thought that for a while now. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #14

Yes.. sendero Dec 2014 #56

I don't think so Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2014 #69

"Except for the war thing" - TBF Dec 2014 #75

and Hillary would have been even more a sellout than obama Robbins Dec 2014 #9

No, Hillary supporters were wrong then and wrong now about that. leftofcool Dec 2014 #52

have been proven right? DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #53

Not at all. Obama just turned out to be as bought-and-paid-for as she is. /nt Marr Dec 2014 #86

Teddy Roosevelt had a history of being a fighter and FDR's hero was Teddy AZ Progressive Dec 2014 #6

Can you imagine Obama threatening to nationalize the mines? SMC22307 Dec 2014 #51

It is not inept if you accomplish your goals. wilsonbooks Dec 2014 #7

Thread winner. Fuddnik Dec 2014 #11

Yep sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #24

Exactly. bvar22 Dec 2014 #43

2008 was the only Dem Presidential primary in 4 decades that I Zorra Dec 2014 #57

Agree 1,000,000% 99Forever Dec 2014 #10

Good article dissentient Dec 2014 #12

Total Bull Andy823 Dec 2014 #13

I don't know this place anymore CatWoman Dec 2014 #15

Covering our eyes and ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA LA" Maedhros Dec 2014 #18

being a world class jerk doesn't help very much either CatWoman Dec 2014 #22

Well, I guess you'd know. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #23

Obviously, Cat definitely knows when she encounters one. Cha Dec 2014 #63

If you consider criticising the President for supporting a bill that cuts pensions, Pell grants, liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #21

Denial sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #25

I won't blast you like the other respondents but I would be interested in seeing your Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #29

Yep, sad. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #38

Seems that way, doesn't it? greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #46

Seems that way Andy823 Dec 2014 #48

Actually, yes. It's pretty toxic around here, so much so ... Hekate Dec 2014 #58

You must excuse those here that were hoping for change. After 2000 they thought that rhett o rick Dec 2014 #68

When a president who promised change... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #88

Liberals always do this Pantagruelsmember Dec 2014 #16

That's some very weak gruel, there. Maedhros Dec 2014 #19

About 80% of Americans would disagree BobbyBoring Dec 2014 #20

50% of Americans think torture is OK too. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy and stevenleser Dec 2014 #40

Do you have proof Andy823 Dec 2014 #49

Get real Pantagruelsmember Dec 2014 #61

You lost me dissentient Dec 2014 #27

That stood out to me too. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #87

Recognized the dangers of carbon dioxide? sulphurdunn Dec 2014 #34

Well said. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #39

The List is back Doctor_J Dec 2014 #41

Agreed. Histor will be kind to Obama. Albertoo Dec 2014 #47

History will remember him as mediocre. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #89

No, it won't. History is always good to leaders who lead out of economic malaise. Nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #93

Ignore ' the ready for Hillary clan', they 're still pissed off that Hillary didn't win. Stellar Dec 2014 #59

"... there has been no appreciable inflation." SMC22307 Dec 2014 #60

The writter assumes Obama didn't want to help Wall Street and the future helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #17

is capitulation synonymous with complicity? stupidicus Dec 2014 #26

So we just ignore the explanation? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #28

vox is little more than the WH's remote press office. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #32

Like I said, ignore the explanation ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #33

I read it. It notes the center of the controversy is the preception the President capitulated. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #35

Even with all the bad stuff in it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #36

Of those listed points which ones would you keep in exchange for Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #37

ALL OF THEM!!! ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #42

And the absolute surrender buys you, what? A year? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #44

Did you read what I wrote? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #45

Once again, you ruined a good bashfest with detailed questions supported by facts BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #77

The argument presumes the certainty of the Dodd-Frank roll-back will be superceded by Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #82

Today Mr. Ineptitude normalized relations with Cuba BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #91

The explanation to give up a whole lot because it could be worse is crap. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #71

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #74

Wow that's some predictions. There are a lot of if's in there. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #79

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #83

He refused to prosecute war crimes Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #30

Can we just impeach him already? zappaman Dec 2014 #31

Honestly Andy823 Dec 2014 #50

yup and DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #54

Why do I want to rec this? PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #55

"Compromise for the sake of compromise" BULLSHIT BootinUp Dec 2014 #62

If only Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #84

No it won't.. just because some hack(Lance Simmens) writes it on huffpo and someone Cha Dec 2014 #64

Obama Didn't Get Anything Like the Sort of Cooperation an Incoming President Elected by a Landslide� AndyTiedye Dec 2014 #65

Or even one who does not win the popular vote loyalsister Dec 2014 #73

If you were in President Obama's place, what would you have done? akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #70

The world does not revolve around Blanche Lincoln's push-out rule. ucrdem Dec 2014 #72

Actually there are three possible explanations for the President's actions tularetom Dec 2014 #81

That may be it. Tatiana Dec 2014 #85

LOL Drunken Irishman Dec 2014 #92