Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

ArsSkeptica

(38 posts)
40. Citation needed
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:48 AM
Dec 2014

IIRC from People's History of the American Revolution, our kerfuffle with the Brits started largely in response to taxation that directly affected those would could afford those things taxed, ergo, those of means. And when we consider the cadre to whom voting was limited once we were on our own (white landowners), perhaps one has cause to wonder what genuinely motivated those of means to financially back a devastating war unless it the possible ROI. If it were entirely principle, I'd think more of those wealthy elite back in the day would have served on the front lines instead of getting poor stand-ins to do it for them.

The principles stated in the Declaration make for good recruitment. Our first stab as a loose federation failed so abysmally because there were no government teeth to back up their accounts receivable. So instead, we got the bait and switch of the Constitutional Convention that enshrined a lot of rights, but lets not forget that the rights we most often think of first when rights come to mind were essentially the bone thrown to the anti-Federalists for the sake of the whole kit and kaboodle, 3/5 of a non-voting slave and all.

Principle may have played a significant part, but whether that significant part outweighed more crass motivations is entirely debatable. I'm not saying we'd have done better under the crown by a long shot. But us commoners were pretty much out of the equation other than as an afterthought.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

The Family by Jeff Sharlet mikeysnot Dec 2014 #1
That's a very important book. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #4
The Family by Jeff Sharlet AlbertCat Dec 2014 #7
not everyone has forgotten about "C" street, believe me. niyad Dec 2014 #18
And here's a little trip down Memory Lane from 2007, co-authored by Sharlett… Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #22
"A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation." Scuba Dec 2014 #27
Alpha House! maddiemom Dec 2014 #23
Isn't the Mafia also called The Family!? Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #26
It's technically called "Our Thing" (Cosa Nostra). [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #31
This is great Gothmog Dec 2014 #2
When will Thespian2 Dec 2014 #3
GREEDY BASTARDS aren't necessarily breaking the laws ... Martin Eden Dec 2014 #6
well with the greed of the billionaires heaven05 Dec 2014 #9
Makes Thespian2 Dec 2014 #10
we can only do heaven05 Dec 2014 #11
but, we can do something hopemountain Dec 2014 #29
We alone hold the power to keep corporate money out of politics. raouldukelives Dec 2014 #16
Yes Thespian2 Dec 2014 #30
This is so accurate and the people need to make a concerted effort not to shop at Walmart and use sammy750 Dec 2014 #5
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in... FailureToCommunicate Dec 2014 #8
Preach it Bernie! Initech Dec 2014 #12
Depressingly true. SoapBox Dec 2014 #13
Bernie is wrong. The nation will survive as long as German and Italian fascism survived...one day Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #14
'Sons of Wichita', 2014 by Daniel Schulman of Mother Jones is an extensive work on appalachiablue Dec 2014 #15
"But he's not a democrat..." whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #17
Typically followed by the "He's Too Far Left !!!" adirondacker Dec 2014 #36
education keeps facism in check olddots Dec 2014 #19
Advertisement on Bloomberg TV Turbineguy Dec 2014 #20
Change the word "greed" to "capitalism" and maybe we'll get somewhere Cal Carpenter Dec 2014 #21
"What we need is a system that dampens their ability to amass wealth." Scuba Dec 2014 #28
The problem is that, in a capitalist system, the owners of the capital Maedhros Dec 2014 #32
What would you propose? Scuba Dec 2014 #33
A Democratic Socialist system in which workers control the means of production.[n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #34
It's a damn shame Blue Idaho Dec 2014 #24
Don't overlook "THE FAMILY." They are Corporate America/Wall Street, too. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #25
The fucking French Melurkyoulongtime Dec 2014 #35
Bernie is wrong on all counts. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #37
Citation needed ArsSkeptica Dec 2014 #40
the am revolution was not a populist uprising, it was a tax revolt by the rich KG Dec 2014 #42
That's worth defacto7 Dec 2014 #38
Free trade or fair trade? Better decide before the robots take over all jobs. Rex Dec 2014 #39
No one should make more than a million dollars a year . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #41
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Tiny religious sect takes...»Reply #40