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Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
62. Who else is there to reply to when trying to ignore facts being pointed out?
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:04 AM
Dec 2014

It's the internet equivalent of someone sticking their fingers in their ears and going 'LA LA LA. I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'

I got a chuckle out of this gem in this thread: 'HRW and Amenesty tell the truth.'
I suspect he meant to add: 'unless I disagree with them!' at the end. Because here's some truth from HRW and AI that he won't like...

Amnesty International - Obama should follow UN lead on Cuba embargo

Amnesty International - Israel: The injustice and secrecy surrounding administrative detention.

Israel must release all Palestinians held under long-standing administrative detention laws or charge and try them promptly and fairly, Amnesty International said in a new report.

'Starved of justice: Palestinians detained without trial by Israel’ documents human rights violations associated with administrative detention – a relic of British control of the area that permits detention without charge or trial on indefinitely renewable military orders.

The report also calls on Israel to stop using these measures to suppress the legitimate and peaceful activities of activists in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

It urges the immediate and unconditional release prisoners of conscience held just for peacefully exercising their rights to freedom of expression and assembly.



Then there's the other info from HRW about Israel's human rights violations that have been studiously ignored because, y'know, it's apparently totally awesome when Israel does it...

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/israel/

Israel's two main interrogation agencies in the occupied territories engage in a systematic pattern of ill-treatment and torture - according to internationally recognized definitions of the terms - when trying to extract from Palestinian security suspects confessions or information about third parties. This pattern has continued in 1994, despite the peace process now underway.

Israel's ill-treatment of Palestinians under interrogation is notable for the enormous number of persons who have experienced it. Well over 100,000 Palestinians have been detained since the start of the intifada in December 1987. Of those arrested, reliable sources indicate that some 4,000 to 6,000 are subjected to interrogation each year. The figures appear to have declined only slightly during the first quarter of 1994.

The overriding strategy of Israel's interrogation agencies in getting uncooperative detainees to talk is to subject them to a coordinated, rigid and increasingly painful regime of physical constraints and psychological pressures over days and very often for three or four weeks, during which time the detainees are, almost without exception, denied visits by their lawyers and families. These measures seriously taint the voluntariness of the confessions that they help to bring about, and therefore, compromise the fundamental fairness of the military courts that try Palestinians in the occupied territories.

The methods used in nearly all interrogations are prolonged sleep deprivation; prolonged sight deprivation using blindfolds or tight-fitting hoods; forced, prolonged maintenance of body positions that grow increasingly painful; and verbal threats and insults.

These methods are almost always combined with some of the following abuses: confinement in tiny, closet-like spaces; exposure to temperature extremes, such as in deliberately overcooled rooms; prolonged toilet and hygiene deprivation; and degrading treatment, such as forcing detainees to eat and use the toilet at the same time. In a large number of cases, detainees are also moderately or severely beaten by their interrogators.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5972756



HRW : CUBA [View all] Rhinodawg Dec 2014 OP
I refuse to forget them. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #1
I don't think the President has forgotten them leftynyc Dec 2014 #48
Some of that is real but a LOT is funded by USAID flamingdem Dec 2014 #2
I literally dont know what to say. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #5
I do. I've traveled there dozens of time flamingdem Dec 2014 #8
Or as Amesty International or Reporters Without Borders? onenote Dec 2014 #32
I posted endless stuff on human rights and political prisoners Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #42
Not to mention our own HR record. What happens to protesters HERE. See Ferguson and sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #54
The U.S. government has routinely tortured those it detains. So long as Bush and Cheney walk KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #59
The same is true of China and probably Vietnam but that doesn't stop us from working with them. craigmatic Dec 2014 #3
This is what we are hoping to change by opening up relations frazzled Dec 2014 #4
Name one. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #6
Japan and Germany vome to mind pretty damn quick Saboburns Dec 2014 #18
Serious ? Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #63
Well, at least it's not just all Muslims with you. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #7
Sorry...I'm an old fashioned liberal. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #10
So do I. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #11
Did you miss this part? Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #14
Oh my heavens! Cuba doesn't have a good human rights record?! NuclearDem Dec 2014 #16
where are your posts demanding we suspend relations with dozens of other countries CreekDog Dec 2014 #46
I wonder how Cuba differs from Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or any Arab country. Bandit Dec 2014 #9
Exactly hifiguy Dec 2014 #20
+1. All true imo ^^^^^ lunasun Dec 2014 #60
Yeah, if we'd just maintained that embargo against Cuba for one more decade.... Paladin Dec 2014 #12
Remember the time Cuba attacked the United States? Octafish Dec 2014 #13
Thanks for responding to the post. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #15
You're welcome. Octafish Dec 2014 #19
The journey of a thousand miles starts with one step. FSogol Dec 2014 #17
See this link, too: MineralMan Dec 2014 #21
HRW and Amenesty tell the truth. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #22
Amnesty? "Obama should follow UN lead on Cuba embargo" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #25
Somebody get me my smelling salts. n/t Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #23
None of which has changed because of cutting them off for 50 years. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #24
HRW: Time to End the U.S. Embargo on Cuba muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #26
Ouch alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #27
2002? Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #28
Yes, it's really that overdue; that being from 2002 makes it worse muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #30
so you're saying they no longer have this position, in 2014? CreekDog Dec 2014 #49
Cuba has a long way to go, as do we. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #29
Sorry.... I've always had a problem with Political Prisoners. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #31
It is possible to have problems with political prisoners onenote Dec 2014 #33
Human Rights Watch Statement on Bradley Manning Verdict Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #34
HRW: Israel Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #35
and I did not even see your post malaise Dec 2014 #52
Sorry guys... Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #36
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in all probability. No one gives a shit whether Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #37
I agree. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #38
Isn't there an OP you could start about some Muslim doing some fucked up shit somewhere? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #39
That would be pretty easy this week leftynyc Dec 2014 #50
My point is that seems to be the sole purpose of this poster. He seems to have added commies Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #55
Nice imitation of DeNiro there leftynyc Dec 2014 #61
"Life goes on. A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms. Enthusiasms... Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #64
So perhaps you can link me to the leftynyc Dec 2014 #65
I'll do that when you point me out to people who post about nothing else but that. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #66
Are you referring to the political prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? LanternWaste Dec 2014 #43
Ouch! malaise Dec 2014 #57
Ahem malaise Dec 2014 #58
Who else is there to reply to when trying to ignore facts being pointed out? Violet_Crumble Dec 2014 #62
Are you implying that normalising relations with Cuba is a bad thing? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #40
Thaaaaaaaaank you for asking....no one else has. Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #41
Aren't they releasing 50 more prisoners? JaneyVee Dec 2014 #51
I heard the total was 53. nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #67
For what it's worth eissa Dec 2014 #44
HRW - Israel malaise Dec 2014 #45
See above reply #35 Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #47
ROFL malaise Dec 2014 #53
We trade with China. We send weapons to Israel. DanTex Dec 2014 #56
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