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etherealtruth

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11. This is a public health issue ... a serious one

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 01:39 PM

Dec 2014

In my mind it simply comes down to right of a woman to have autonomy. Autonomy allows for very poor choices.

While I can be personally very uncomfortable and upset by the choices you have outlined .... the question remains .... if a man (as example) engages in activity X (a "bad" activity) and a pregnant woman engages in the same activity AND this activity results in damage or death of her fetus .... should this woman be treated differently than the man (in this example) by the criminal justice system?

Again ... I am going to be personally horrified .... but, I do not advocate a separate system of justice (ie a male performance artists ingesting thalidomide with no repercussions whatsoever and a female .... with possibly severe criminal consequences).

I think we should be putting a tremendous amount of resources into the public health aspect of this, and like you do NOT believe criminalizing behavior of pregnant citizens is the right way to go (in my case I am appalled by it).

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Wisconsin gets sued for throwing pregnant women in jail after appointing lawyers for their fetuses [View all] riversedge Dec 2014 OP

Sounds like the work of the governor they love so much up there world wide wally Dec 2014 #1

Where does HIPAA fit in here? (edited and updated) Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #2

Don't know about any recent HIPPA changes dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #4

most shrinks stopped taking notes mopinko Dec 2014 #7

oops ucrdem Dec 2014 #36

All Health Care professionals are manditory reporters of suspected abuse... Scruffy Rumbler Dec 2014 #21

Abuse of self? There is only ONE person involved here etherealtruth Dec 2014 #23

I agree with you. Scruffy Rumbler Dec 2014 #32

Sorry, I DID misinterpret your post etherealtruth Dec 2014 #33

It drives me crazy, too. Scruffy Rumbler Dec 2014 #35

Do women of child bearing age have ALL of the rights of an adult citizen of the United States? etherealtruth Dec 2014 #3

Good point. (nt) PotatoChip Dec 2014 #5

No, women of any age do not have body integrity. We are not free. wavesofeuphoria Dec 2014 #6

I think this issue is more complex than many will admit. hedgehog Dec 2014 #8

I think you found it azureblue Dec 2014 #9

Babies withdraw from nicotine and SSRIs too. AllyCat Dec 2014 #19

Once the state grants full rights to the fetus... Orrex Dec 2014 #10

Actually, as in this case .... "they" appoint the fetus a legal representative/ attorney etherealtruth Dec 2014 #12

Exactly correct, alas. Orrex Dec 2014 #15

Of course it is ... that is the end game etherealtruth Dec 2014 #17

To illustrate the complexity of the situation - hedgehog Dec 2014 #26

Apply for tax credits for dependents on taxes too. AllyCat Dec 2014 #16

This is a public health issue ... a serious one etherealtruth Dec 2014 #11

IMHO -the woman needed medical care and riversedge Dec 2014 #13

I hope we never force them to get rubella vax while pregnant...horrible birth defects! AllyCat Dec 2014 #20

You are correct; pregnant women shoud get the flu vaccine, hedgehog Dec 2014 #25

And Tdap. But I don't put anything past the anti-science Fundies, Teahadists, GOPpers. AllyCat Dec 2014 #28

IIRC, tetanus is a major cause of maternal death in the 3rd world. hedgehog Dec 2014 #29

I can believe that, but don't know for sure. Here, AllyCat Dec 2014 #37

Not to mention how dangerious it is for both the mother and fetus! AllyCat Dec 2014 #14

I had just commented on this thread that it was a 'personhood" riversedge Dec 2014 #18

So there is nobody left to trust at this point? blackspade Dec 2014 #22

"and appointed an attorney to represent the interests of her 14-week-old fetus." KamaAina Dec 2014 #24

What kind of idiot lawyer would agree to defend a fetus in court? Drale Dec 2014 #27

Women are punished for being born female... I'll leave it at that. freshwest Dec 2014 #30

they always start by attacking women, don't they. Robyn Ryan Dec 2014 #31

kick Liberal_in_LA Dec 2014 #34

My God, this is 'Handmaiden's Tale" level BS. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #38

It seems like some still want to hunt and burn perceived witches. Rex Dec 2014 #40

When will women get the right to have total sovereignty over their bodies? Rex Dec 2014 #39

Well, we can always refuse to have children justiceischeap Dec 2014 #41