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Omaha Steve

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23. I read so much in a week, here is more from THE SAME LINK
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:20 PM
Dec 2014

It would also allow severely underfunded plans (those expected to run out of money in 20 years or less) to reduce benefits for existing retirees — if that would prevent the plan from becoming insolvent. Plan trustees would not be allowed to cut benefits for disabled retirees or retirees 80 years or older. And the cuts for retirees ages 75 to 79 would be less than younger retirees. Benefits could not be cut to a level below 110 percent of PBGC’s minimum benefit, but that could still be a pretty hefty cut. And the consequences could be widespread: Up to 3 million people are in plans that are regarded as severely underfunded.

One part of Amendment 1 came at Miller’s insistence, and was not part of the Solutions Not Bailouts proposal: In plans with more than 10,000 participants (retirees and active workers), participants would have a chance to vote to reject the proposed cuts. But the cuts would only be rejected if more than 50 percent of participants voted against them, not 50 percent of those voting. Even then, the U.S. Treasury Department can override the vote and go forward with the cuts if it concludes that impending plan insolvency poses “systemic” risk to PBGC.

The legislation was supported by the Building Trades of North America, as well as Associated General Contractors; United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters; International Union of Operating Engineers; International Union of Painters and Allied Trades; United Brotherhood of Carpenters; Service Employees International Union; and United Food and Commercial Workers, as well as Kroger Corporation.

“This is a tool for trustees of plans that can be made solvent long-term,” said Randy DeFrehn, executive director of NCCMP, the multi-employer trade group that originated the proposal. DeFrehn said a bailout, or other fixes, might have been preferable, but when the Democrats were in charge of the House, his group was unable to get anywhere with proposals for the government to step in to guarantee the PBGC. “I think the Republicans did this because they don’t want … PBGC to go bankrupt and have to write a $40 or $100 billion check in the future.”

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unding everything one layer at a time belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1
shame on George Miller -- is he lining up his next gig after he retires? nt antigop Dec 2014 #2
Anytime a bunch of white men in suits get together to "fix" union pensions.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #3
Yikes. What does this sentence mean? "the funds are invested so that the plans have enough midnight Dec 2014 #4
No, the unions invest the money. former9thward Dec 2014 #13
"Wallstreet" isn't a thing. The unions invest the funds. Recursion Dec 2014 #30
So Wallstreet ripped off union pensions.... blackspade Dec 2014 #5
How did "Wallstreet" rip them off? former9thward Dec 2014 #14
The money was invested in Wall Street. blackspade Dec 2014 #36
Who invested the money in Wall Street? former9thward Dec 2014 #38
Um, the trustees? blackspade Dec 2014 #39
'there is a wealth of info out there detailing this stuff" A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #40
Care to clarify what I'm not understanding? blackspade Dec 2014 #41
Sure. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #42
That clarified nothing. blackspade Dec 2014 #43
I made all that back, plus 50% joeglow3 Dec 2014 #44
See, the thing is, PEOPLE are not "too big to fail." WinkyDink Dec 2014 #6
big kick and big rec! nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #7
K&R! countryjake Dec 2014 #8
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #9
I guess I can't tell if this is a necessary action or one that is undermining the pension system mythology Dec 2014 #10
We have several DUers I can't speak for about this Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #12
Pitchforks should be coming out very soon...apologists for wall street stealing our pensions NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #26
These were not company run pension funds. former9thward Dec 2014 #16
Link please Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #17
It is in your OP. former9thward Dec 2014 #18
Here is a little bit different take written before the budget passed Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #20
Well I agree with the Carpenters. former9thward Dec 2014 #21
But the PBGC isn't just multiple employer pensions Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #22
Right, they are both. former9thward Dec 2014 #24
I think we are back in agrement Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #25
I worked at Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel for 40 years. Part of my pension a doc03 Dec 2014 #28
I read so much in a week, here is more from THE SAME LINK Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #23
You seem to be hellbent on blaming the unions. Maybe not all but doc03 Dec 2014 #32
No one can deny plain history. former9thward Dec 2014 #33
Goes back to Reaganomics. The Republicans are now raising hell about doc03 Dec 2014 #34
If you remember being in Washington asking Bush to put tariffs on steel you should also doc03 Dec 2014 #37
Kick nt Hissyspit Dec 2014 #11
fucking criminal. spanone Dec 2014 #15
Austerity for all and to all, good luck. nc4bo Dec 2014 #19
Obama WillTwain Dec 2014 #27
I agree and you can bet the Republicans are going to hang doc03 Dec 2014 #29
So did many unions (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #31
k&r nt bananas Dec 2014 #35
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