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56. Yes, but the CIA also bought 'plausible deniability'

Fri Dec 19, 2014, 09:54 AM

Dec 2014

The US/Bush/CIA/Cheney didn't torture ... their hired agents do that.

Romney revealed the truth--executives like the capacity to fire people. When you hire people, you can FIRE people. When you hire 'contractors' all the violations become their fault.

It seems that when you recruit torturers, you can dispose of torturers, and disavow their actions.

The mission has always been covered with smoke and the current objective remains obfuscation. All parties have some claim that others than themselves are guilty and each argument resonates with some critics. The idea that America followed some moral certainty that prevented torture is blown apart, but holding the guilty accountable becomes mired in arguments about where the guilt must be lain.

The truth is somewhat Rumsfeldian...we 'must sweep them all up' and then dump the collected into the same dust bin.

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The CIA Didn�t Just Torture, It Experimented on Human Beings [View all] grahamhgreen Dec 2014 OP

K&R nt Mnemosyne Dec 2014 #1

Another dark stain on American history. Scuba Dec 2014 #2

Disgusting, despicable and no matter how much anyone objects to the comparison sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #3

The names and identities of all medical personnel who participated have mostly KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #5

With that many pages redacted, this whole report is a sham. And why sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #7

I'm a layperson and follow these matters somewhat sporadically. IIRC, the issue KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #12

Sadly, there is this: Why the Torture Report Won�t Change Anything dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #35

I totally agree... ReRe Dec 2014 #26

Because of congressional immunity, Udall may be the only one who can do it and KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #29

I agree. The first thing I thought was that is a Nazi action. It is too bad they do not understand jwirr Dec 2014 #31

Our own personal Mengeles n2doc Dec 2014 #4

Yup...people should be outraged...nt joeybee12 Dec 2014 #14

First thought as well. adirondacker Dec 2014 #18

Meanwhile, John Kiriakou remains in prison while these pieces of shit bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #6

Bush and Cheney are looking more and more like dictators. C Moon Dec 2014 #8

Wait, what? "experiments on dogs"?! MindPilot Dec 2014 #9

Yeah hello Mitt PatrynXX Dec 2014 #11

Torturing puppies. Imagine the poor things being reduced to complete bundles of fear while these grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #15

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #10

Well, there goes the thin veneer of moral civility we thought we had. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #13

I'm pretty sure dropping the atomic bomb on civilians, never mind slavery, put paid to that quaint WinkyDink Dec 2014 #17

Human experimentation also is a war crime. Octafish Dec 2014 #16

You are treasure trove of non-prime time info..wow. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #25

What I told my lawyer... Octafish Dec 2014 #41

It's likely the program is actually a continuation of the MK-ULTRA program. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #19

Yes. polly7 Dec 2014 #42

"More about programming". The head of ISIS came out of our torture program, makes you wonder... grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #48

it's actually all folded into SERE (ditto with the Men Who Stare at Goats) MisterP Dec 2014 #49

So the CIA paid two quacks $81 million to practice their sadism on people Major Nikon Dec 2014 #20

That money came from the American people. These monsters should be arrested sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #22

I agree, but I think the window for the US to prosecute and retain credibility has passed Major Nikon Dec 2014 #30

and now we understand even more why they can never let these prisoners go. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #27

Yes, but the CIA also bought 'plausible deniability' HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #56

The American public likely approves of these 'Neo-Mengelians' too radhika Dec 2014 #21

Thank Dog that Godwin's Law is frowned upon RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #57

Sounds like "The Shock Doctrine" ybbor Dec 2014 #23

K&R Solly Mack Dec 2014 #24

Am I the only one who would pay $99.99 pay per view to watch someone do this NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #28

The answer to government sponsored torture is not more government sponsored torture Major Nikon Dec 2014 #37

I agree, but if you dont give justice to the people, they will desire their own NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #44

True, but that's another excellent reason why justice needs to be served Major Nikon Dec 2014 #45

Can't help but wonder libodem Dec 2014 #32

My bet is the guy with the bald fetish. gordianot Dec 2014 #36

Yep libodem Dec 2014 #43

What couple of sick fucks. blackspade Dec 2014 #33

the Bush family has engaged in eugenics before grasswire Dec 2014 #34

As a distant relative, if so considering my political views, it did not take. gordianot Dec 2014 #38

Well, yeah. Iggo Dec 2014 #39

It also raped kids in front of their parents n/t 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #40

Any and all information is valuable The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #46

Keep in mind. .. 99Forever Dec 2014 #47

That is the most disturbing thing to me. I thought the good guys were in charge now. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #50

The actual good guys have no power and haven't for many years. 99Forever Dec 2014 #51

Somebody needs to enforce the laws JEB Dec 2014 #52

Sorry, but this is yesterday's news RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #53

Yeah. And NSA spying on Americans? Octafish Dec 2014 #54

It's 'the new way', brother. RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #55