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pampango

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13. Trade seems to be good for workers and the safety net in Europe and in other progressive countries.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 11:45 AM
Dec 2014

They have much more trade than we do in the US, yet have stronger middle classes and unions and better social safety nets.

Our 1% has been able to harm our middle class, weaken our unions and shred our safety net although trade is a much, much smaller part of our economy than it is in Europe or other progressive countries.

The lesson to me is that the 1% can decimate society regardless of the amount of trade it engages in. (republicans did a good job of that for 12 years before FDR when there were high tariffs and little trade.)

Progressive countries have comparatively high levels of trade, but promoting trade may be a policy choice not the cause of their shared prosperity. With strong unions and labor laws and effective safety nets people seem assured that the benefits of trade will be equitably shared. In countries with weak unions, ineffective labor laws and porous safety nets the benefits of trade are not likely to be equitably shared. Of course, the benefits of domestic commerce are not likely to be equitably shared either.

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That's OK. nt ladjf Dec 2014 #1
indeed Doctor_J Dec 2014 #2
Trade is the foundation o foreign relations Adrahil Dec 2014 #3
The problem with trade is that the people have no say in the negotiations. Trade works out good liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #4
I don't really disagree... but at the bottom, it's almost always about money. Adrahil Dec 2014 #8
Trade seems to be good for workers and the safety net in Europe and in other progressive countries. pampango Dec 2014 #13
I agree but what have we been doing that it no longer works for the people? I am thinking about jwirr Dec 2014 #12
Yup. bigwillq Dec 2014 #5
YES grasswire Dec 2014 #6
so you don't think Cubans want the opportunity to have access to modern technology? onenote Dec 2014 #32
where did I say this? nt grasswire Dec 2014 #36
You seemed upset that 11 million Cubans were getting access to technology. onenote Dec 2014 #38
This is the USA - nothing matters but profits. polichick Dec 2014 #7
Not everyone here seems to agree that ending the embargo is a good idea. pampango Dec 2014 #9
Lotsa ponies in Cuba. OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #11
Bingo! nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #10
It will take a long time for that to happen flamingdem Dec 2014 #14
Each spot where you typed Cubans, you need to have the word government after it. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #18
Have you ever been there? flamingdem Dec 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2014 #24
what exactly do you disagree with? flamingdem Dec 2014 #26
My disagreement was simple and singular. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #29
There might also have been concern that China would have become Marr Dec 2014 #15
No, it's not. It is about abandoning a policy that hasn't worked for 50 years. Obama can't lift okaawhatever Dec 2014 #16
The right will bow down to their corporate masters once the command is given. GOLGO 13 Dec 2014 #17
Yet another reason why WillPitt's "Castro won" OP/argument doesn't make sense stevenleser Dec 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #20
Profits are bad? JaneyVee Dec 2014 #22
It would be ludicrous to normalize relations with Cuba if we didn't get anything out of it. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #23
We? KansDem Dec 2014 #28
Normalizing relations with Cuba was a good thing. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #31
Dear President Obama, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. William769 Dec 2014 #25
+100 ... n/t obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2014 #27
That's what started the whole thing to begin with nichomachus Dec 2014 #30
Yup. That sums it up. nt City Lights Dec 2014 #33
Hopefully moondust Dec 2014 #34
Think Haiti Slim Pickens Dec 2014 #35
That's up to the Cuban people. joshcryer Dec 2014 #37
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