Check out my posts #115 and #117. Also, I think you will find this interesting. (Reply #120)

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120. Check out my posts #115 and #117. Also, I think you will find this interesting.

The ACLU defended Hale's efforts to obtain a law license in IL.

Aclu Sides With Supremacist On Right To Obtain Law License

White supremacist Matthew Hale's bid to practice law in Illinois has received a boost from the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois, which has filed a legal brief in support of Hale's petition to obtain a law license.

In a legal motion accepted Monday by the state Supreme Court, the ACLU argues that denying Hale a law license on the basis of racist beliefs is a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-08-12/news/9908120284_1_law-license-aclu-first-time-hale

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Greenwald: CHENEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON, Not On 'Meet The Press' [View all]	Segami	Dec 2014	OP
Since Glenn is such a fantastic lawyer, I think he should file a federal citizen's complaint	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#1
Sounds like you are the one who should give that a try.	JEB	Dec 2014	#2
Not to mention the fact that Greenwald is now a Journalist, no longer practicing law,	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#8
But Glenn has legal experience with torture victims....when the Nazi group he was representing	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#10
Oh jeez	Hissyspit	Dec 2014	#147
So he's wrong about Cheney being a war criminal who belongs in the dock at the	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#5
He's Glenn Greenwald, so he has to be wrong.	Iggo	Dec 2014	#7
I know. Torturers are given a pass when it comes to journalists saying	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#12
No--GG is right. Cheney belongs in jail. I think GG could put him there, as his prior legal	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#13
Greenwaqld IS helping to put him there! He is doing HIS job as a journalist	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#21
You are appropriately named n/t	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#118
Misanthrope, not msanthrope. I've always thought the misspelling hilarious (and revealing) nt	riderinthestorm	Dec 2014	#134
Why don't you volunteer your talents to help Greenwald?	Octafish	Dec 2014	#14
I don't work with Neo Nazi civil lawsuit defenders.	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#17
"Neo Nazi civil lawsuit defenders"...	ReRe	Dec 2014	#59
He was the civil attorney for the National Alliance and Matt Hale. He may call himself	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#69
In your view, Defense Attorneys commit crimes by defending unpopular clients?	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#80
Um...the Nazi IP case wasn't a 6th amendment case. 1) It was an IP case.	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#85
So there is no right to a CIVIL DEFENSE if you are unpopular? Where is this	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#91
oh lordy....look, if GG wants to voluntarily defend the money interests of Nazi's, and you want to	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#95
So you were just making stuff up. I knew that, you have done it before, but	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#97
Check out my posts #115 and #117. Also, I think you will find this interesting.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#120
Thank I will check out your posts. I did ask if the poster felt the same way	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#128
Here you go (and the earliest association I can find between Greenwald and Hale)	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#117
Stop introducing facts here!	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#129
If your personal injury caseload isn't too heavy, you should give it a shot.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2014	#16
I don't do PI. I do criminal defense. Unlike GG, I've never defended a torturer, and then claimed	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#18
Greenwald did not 'defend a torturer' which you have been told many times here. Why are you	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#22
So Greenwald was lying when he wrote about his pro bono work for The National Alliance?	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#25
You must hate the Civil Liberties Union then? Greenwald was a CL attorney	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#47
Kindly tell us the civil liberty that was protected in the Nazi trademark case? nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#50
Kindly tell US when an 'accused' is not entitled to a defense?	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#52
You do know there's a difference between an 'accused' in a criminal trial and a 'defendant' in a	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#60
Kindly explain to us when an accused in ANY case, Civil or Criminal, is not entitled to	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#62
Well, I can't make you read the Constitution, sabrina. But you tell me where it says in there that	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#64
And I can't make you explain why any accused has no right to a defense even though	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#76
John Adams was a criminal defense attorney, as am I. GG chose to defend the money interests of	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#79
Wait, so now you're saying that SOME clients are not entitled to a CIVIL DEFENSE?	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#81
As I noted below, you seem to be conflating civil and criminal procedure. That is unfortunate,	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#83
I don't blame you for trying to avoid answering a direct and simple question	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#87
You know, you've been making that accusation for quite a while. It is time to back it up...	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#115
And no response to your well researched facts. Smear campaigns are no supposed to	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#142
She also had trouble addressing the facts presented in this Greenwald bashing thread a few days ago.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#146
Hey...some of us have jobs and kids....if I take a break for a couple of hours	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#150
Todd Reardon is the appellate attorney. Greenwald was the original litigator, and in fact	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#148
You still haven't presented any evidence that Greenwald was the attorney on the copyright infringement lawsuit.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#152
Look LA....I get that you are still upset with me over the last time you demanded	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#159
You never upset me. You amuse me. I hope all your opponents are stupid.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#161
Okay....I thank you for proving to us all that GG helped Matt Hale's white supremacist	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#162
Okay. I apologize. Cough it up.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#177
Why don't you just provide your evidence instead of trying to avoid	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#165
Results...	Major Nikon	Dec 2014	#171
Thank you...I appreciate it. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#189
And none of that is relevant to your attempt to smear an attorney for	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#164
They will say anything	choie	Dec 2014	#89
I know. But to even try to smear an attorney for doing his job	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#96
Agreed	choie	Dec 2014	#111
Indeed Your Question Was Never Answered	Joe Worker	Dec 2014	#130
Thank you, it isn't the first time this particular smear has been introduced by	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#132
now, now....	grasswire	Dec 2014	#57
I'm a world class actress starring in an exciting sequel to a popular	Autumn	Dec 2014	#116
Meh	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#124
passive-aggressive nonsense.	Autumn	Dec 2014	#131
Yes, and? nt	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#137
And. n/t	Autumn	Dec 2014	#140
Some Greenwald haters are clearly not familiar with the Streisand Effect	Electric Monk	Dec 2014	#145
This person you're defending is	Marr	Dec 2014	#169
What a load.	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#174
Deny the obvious all you like.	Marr	Dec 2014	#176
Don't care.	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#179
That is the most despicable thing about these false allegations, Marr. Greenwald has addressed	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#180
I'd apply your premise to any lawyer who believes they are good	LanternWaste	Dec 2014	#90
Indeed. Any lawyer could do this. I will not. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#93
So you don't support our system of justice? You would not do what Greenwald	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#98
Obama Covered Up For Cheney	billhicks76	Dec 2014	#112
Yes, it appears the way the system works is that Republicans commit the crimes	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#167
Those Democrats Get Rewarded	billhicks76	Dec 2014	#172
It would be a better world	JEB	Dec 2014	#3
"crickets" from the Glenn Greenwald haters and Obama supporters.	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#4
No 'hater' here, but what are you looking for? Posts with 'Ditto' as the only cogent reply?	randome	Dec 2014	#6
Absolutely....he should be, if we lived in a just and right world. GG's had experience	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#11
So long as there are people who will try to defend the reasons why he is not in prison	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#15
No need to 'defend' anyone. Political reality takes that decision out of our hands.	randome	Dec 2014	#26
Well put. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#31
What 'political reality' are you talking about? We DO have laws don't we?	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#51
I call it the audacity of certainty. He is certain that he knows what the political reality is	rhett o rick	Dec 2014	#68
I agree, it's interesting though, because they oppose all the people and	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#99
I am 'claiming' that Obama is not a monster. He is not out to destroy our way of life.	randome	Dec 2014	#113
We have laws in this country. If someone isn't up to allowing justice to take its	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#123
Great post, sabrina 1	Thespian2	Dec 2014	#43
Thank you, I think that is what will happen eventually, as America declines	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#106
Absolutely not--Cheney should be in jail. It's just that some of recall the time GG	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#19
I just want to note how gross it is for a lawyer to use that particular attack	Marr	Dec 2014	#32
Really? We aren't talking about criminal defense, where a lawyer is called on by the Constitution	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#35
No, YOU are condemning all Civil Liberties attorneys who have defended	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#54
GG didn't defend any liberties. Otherwise, you would be able to state what he defended. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#58
Greenwald defended a client. Please tell us why defending a client	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#63
He chose to defend the money interest of Nazis. He gets to live with the criticism.	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#65
Again, you seem to have a problem naming the civil liberty GG defended in behalf of the Nazis in	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#67
You've played this game before and it didn't work. I'm asking YOU under what	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#71
I've answered all your questions--you won't answer one of mine? What civil liberty was GG defending	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#74
The right to a defense!! You seriously don't get that??	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#77
Are you saying GG was a court appointed lawyer? You seem to be conflating criminal and civil	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#82
So he did nothing wrong, in fact he had the courage to uphold the Constitutional Rights	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#84
Oh--I think it's very wrong to defend the money interests of Nazis. For example, I think	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#86
Iow, you do not believe in the work of the ACLU or any other Civil Liberties	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#135
I won't climb in the mud with you on this, sorry-- but since I'm back for a post, I might	Marr	Dec 2014	#88
Obviously self-hating and a Nazi lover. Probably abuses all those rescue dogs, too.	deurbano	Dec 2014	#151
that took my breath away	grasswire	Dec 2014	#153
It is despicable, isn't it? I know that Greenwald's Right Wing enemies, and he has	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#103
It is.	Marr	Dec 2014	#110
Yes, and no matter how often this vile smear has been debunked on this site	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#139
Cheney should be in jail and I support Obama. Sorry to disappoint your "crickets"	great white snark	Dec 2014	#23
What I am reading here is that any Defense Attorney who does his/her job	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#24
How about "Anyone who defends murderers should not talk publicly about murderers." ?	randome	Dec 2014	#27
Wait! Did you really say that with a straight face? Let's see, you are a defense attorney	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#45
Conservatives hate defense attorneys because defense attorneys	rhett o rick	Dec 2014	#70
Conservatives hate us until they need to stay out of jail. Then they love us. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#75
So, have you kept any undesirables out of jail? You are attacking a defense attorney	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#126
Um...Greenwald has never been a criminal defense attorney. He's a litigator. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#149
I asked about YOUR clients. You are attacking a lawyer for defending	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#166
I represent the liberty interests of the dregs of humanity. I 've never stooped to working on Wall	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#168
You mean you try to defend the accused and keep them out of jail?	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#170
I put that too stridently, obviously.	randome	Dec 2014	#121
Are you saying that only the indigent bad guys (that would be those who have	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#127
They're wrapping themselves up in pretzels	neverforget	Dec 2014	#138
Yes, and it's shameful imo, that any democrat would try to push this unconstitutional	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#143
So since you are an Obama supporter you support his policy toward torturers?	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#125
Obama Pelosi and Holder	Joe Worker	Dec 2014	#141
Not really. They came to this thread...to bash Greenwald instead of Cheney	Doctor_J	Dec 2014	#158
Oddities, to be sure. nt	truebluegreen	Dec 2014	#160
Ditto...	WillyT	Dec 2014	#9
Greenwald is of course correct, and his detractors will of course criticize him and not Cheney	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2014	#20
Of course GG is correct. He's also, at the same time, a hypocrite. He had no problem being the	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#29
You seem to have missed my point. People who have sat by while or taken part in political criticism	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2014	#122
Yikes! (On that thread.) Hadn't seen it before.	deurbano	Dec 2014	#40
I remember that thread very well. It was a disgusting thread	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#61
Yes, I do remember that smear campaign revelation. I was following Greenwald on Salon back then.	deurbano	Dec 2014	#102
Very good post, thank you. I am glad your son got to meet him as I think	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#104
I think this is the first time I've said/written this,	War Horse	Dec 2014	#28
That's what would happen in a country with "liberty and justice for all."	polichick	Dec 2014	#30
That's a goal, not a reality. And I say that as an officer of the court. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#33
Looks like it's not even a goal for our "leaders."	polichick	Dec 2014	#34
I think it is. But I think reality--and the limits of practicality--intrude. I think blaming	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#42
Actions speak louder than words.	polichick	Dec 2014	#44
True--which is why the Executive Order on Torture was deafening. Which is why the Executive Order	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#48
And yet, "looking forward" does not uphold the law with regard to Cheney & Co.	polichick	Dec 2014	#53
Political reality will always trump the law. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#66
We're either a "nation of laws" or we're not - if we're not, politicians should stfu...	polichick	Dec 2014	#72
No more and no less than bumper-stickers will always trump actual wisdom.	LanternWaste	Dec 2014	#94
Only for as long as there are enablers of the criminals, and/or messenger attackers.	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#101
Political reality will always trump the law. What a disgusting statement.	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2014	#155
One Party Rule	jalan48	Dec 2014	#36
"Resolution" music video (torture)	johnnyreb	Dec 2014	#37
Figure out how to get Cheney put in jail for his transgressions against America	ladjf	Dec 2014	#38
Figure out how to get Cheney put in jail for his transgressions against America	ladjf	Dec 2014	#38
I've been disappointed since inauguration day that Cheney wasn't handcuffed to his wheelchair and	tclambert	Dec 2014	#41
Jeez, I'd forgotten that. He showed up in a wheelchair so he wouldn't have to stand & show respect.	Demit	Dec 2014	#56
He needed the wheelchair. He still had the DC Press Corp shoved so far up his ass he couldn't walk.	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#92
cute	Demit	Dec 2014	#105
The power lies with the Deep State and they like Cheney. Presidents do what they can	rhett o rick	Dec 2014	#73
Here is the beef	polynomial	Dec 2014	#46
don't forget the Bushes and their Carlyle Group. nt	grasswire	Dec 2014	#55
Off to Greatest Threads with You!	Derek V	Dec 2014	#49
If those that have the power and MORAL OBLIGATION...	99Forever	Dec 2014	#78
If almost anyone else had said this, no argument would have erupted	LittleBlue	Dec 2014	#100
+ 1000 nt	riderinthestorm	Dec 2014	#144
You're wrong, anyone who said what Greenwald said would have elicited the same	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#163
100% true. and he had no remorse whatsoever...doubled down...would do it again.	spanone	Dec 2014	#107
My prediction is Cheney will serve time in prison around the time that Putin or	cstanleytech	Dec 2014	#108
Kick!	BeanMusical	Dec 2014	#109
DC is deeply corrupted. They're not going to prosecute their own. Ain't gonna happen!	blkmusclmachine	Dec 2014	#114
The war criminal of a Dick and the entire Bush Senior Administration	malaise	Dec 2014	#119
The original sin of the Obama Administration...	PatrickforO	Dec 2014	#133
yep, but you can likely find a GG hater who'll attack him and his prior cases	stupidicus	Dec 2014	#136
"'What I did was absolutely right,'"	Spitfire of ATJ	Dec 2014	#154
an unmarked grave is more like it	d_b	Dec 2014	#156
But greenwald is gay and has boxes in his garage	Doctor_J	Dec 2014	#157
I hope Cheney reads DU. He will see this OP on the FP.	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#173
One day a mad urologist is going to see that cancer and remove him, just out of reflex. n/t	jtuck004	Dec 2014	#175
It makes obama complicit, does it not?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#178
I would agree with Greenwald if he would stop treating every fucking subject	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#181
Whose is responsible for prosecuting Cheney?	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#182
Eric Holder.	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#183
Who is Eric Holder's boss. The DOJ is and executive branch department.	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#184
As far as prosecutions are concerned, he doesn't have a boss.	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#186
I have never once claimed that the President prosecutes people. Either discuss what I am actually	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#187
Huge K&R to this thread, to Greenwald,	woo me with science	Dec 2014	#185
Hey, Woo. And thank you for for doing all that you do. You've racked up an impressive amount	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#188

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